2020 Draft Prospects Thread

[raiders91sc]

Realized today I missed the Mailbag questions this week.

Anyone have any Draft questions they'd be interested in heading into the Bowl season?

Can do a separate write up at some point later this week.

With the success of L. Jackson so far is there anyone in college that could be close to him?

Lets say Jackson does this again next year. Do you think mobility of QBs coming out will affect their draft position more? Example is Fields and Lawrence. You have talked already how Fields needs to work on his throwing motion and Lawrence is more polished. Could Fields mobility push him in front of Lawrence??

Can ur rank or point out the players in the Final 4 who will be drafted?

 

[I'mWithDan]

With the success of L. Jackson so far is there anyone in college that could be close to him?

Lets say Jackson does this again next year. Do you think mobility of QBs coming out will affect their draft position more? Example is Fields and Lawrence. You have talked already how Fields needs to work on his throwing motion and Lawrence is more polished. Could Fields mobility push him in front of Lawrence??

Can ur rank or point out the players in the Final 4 who will be drafted?

The singular skill that makes the Lamar thing possibility is his ability to avoid hits. It is a skill unlike anything really any other QB has had. Vick did to some degree, with pure athleticism but Lamar’s body control is just something that is so singularly unique.

I don’t think Fields or Lawrence really have that at all. They’re mobile but they are and can be squared up somewhat regularly at the college level. That will only get worse in the NFL.

The only QB who has shown even remotely similar ability, to me, is King......so maybe he is more likely to get a serious look at QB but it’s tough to say with how small he is. If he actually is 5’11”, maybe.

Lamar strikes me more of a Steph Curry. Where you’re gonna look around for another one but the best you’re gonna be able to do is Trae Young. I just don’t think what Jackson has, as a runner, is anything anyone else has.

 

[Triplethreat]

Burrow or Lawrence?

I think Joe Burrow is going to be so good at the next level. Really fucking sucks that will likely be in Cincinnati.

 

[NorthCoastBias]

Lawrence, no contest.

 

[raiders91sc]

The singular skill that makes the Lamar thing possibility is his ability to avoid hits. It is a skill unlike anything really any other QB has had. Vick did to some degree, with pure athleticism but Lamar’s body control is just something that is so singularly unique.

I don’t think Fields or Lawrence really have that at all. They’re mobile but they are and can be squared up somewhat regularly at the college level. That will only get worse in the NFL.

The only QB who has shown even remotely similar ability, to me, is King......so maybe he is more likely to get a serious look at QB but it’s tough to say with how small he is. If he actually is 5’11”, maybe.

Lamar strikes me more of a Steph Curry. Where you’re gonna look around for another one but the best you’re gonna be able to do is Trae Young. I just don’t think what Jackson has, as a runner, is anything anyone else has.

I agree I don't think Fields or Lawrence have that either. My point of comparison with those 2 is that Fields is more mobile than Lawrence. My 2nd question is more than about Jackson. I should of explained it better. The question is mainly about QB mobility. NFL is a copy cat league. More and more college systems/plays are being used in the NFL. College is producing more mobile QBs. The ability to stay away from the rush and continue to look down field but also be able to get a couple of yards instead of negative yards seems more and more important today. Is mobility of the QB gonna have a greater impact on guys getting drafted today? example like Brady would he have been a 5th round pick today? or would he of dropped to 7th round because of his lack of mobility. or Wentz and Goff? would Wentz mobility push him in front of Goff if their draft was today?

 

[raiders91sc]

Burrow or Lawrence?

I think Joe Burrow is going to be so good at the next level. Really fucking sucks that will likely be in Cincinnati.

Az has stated this also. Was watching the Herd today and he was really negative about Burrow's. Disclaimer not saying the Herd is a NFL QB prospect expert. Just wanted to bring it up. He stated that he made a ton of phone calls to NFL guys about Burrows in the last 24hours. dont know if true and if they would really tell him truthfully.

 

[AZ_]

Brugler Top 10 By Position:

Quarterbacks
1. Joe Burrow, LSU (6-3, 212, 4.84)
2. *Tua Tagovailoa, Alabama (6-0, 219, 4.78)
3. Jordan Love, Utah State (6-3, 224, 4.68)
With only 17 touchdowns compared to 16 interceptions, Love doesn’t have the production indicative of a first-round pick. But NFL teams draft traits, not stats, and the Utah State product has an intriguing skill set with his loose arm talent and downfield touch. Love will receive his undergraduate degree this month and a Senior Bowl invite will follow. His final draft grade will be heavily dependent on his draft process.

4. Justin Herbert, Oregon (6-6, 240, 4.68)
5. *Jacob Eason, Washington (6-6, 230, 5.06)
6. *Jake Fromm, Georgia (6-1, 221, 4.78)
7. Anthony Gordon, Washington State (6-2, 211, 4.81)
8. Jalen Hurts, Oklahoma (6-1, 223, 4.61)
9. *K.J. Costello, Stanford (6-5, 217, 4.94)
10. Nate Stanley, Iowa (6-4, 245, 4.89)

Running backs
1. *D’Andre Swift, Georgia (5-9, 215, 4.47)
2. *Jonathan Taylor, Wisconsin (5-10, 218, 4.53)
3. *J.K. Dobbins, Ohio State (5-9, 219, 4.56)
4. *Travis Etienne, Clemson (5-9, 212, 4.52)
5. Zack Moss, Utah (5-9, 218, 4.52)
6. *Chuba Hubbard, Oklahoma State (6-1, 211, 4.49)
7. *Najee Harris, Alabama (6-1, 232, 4.57)
8. *Clyde Edwards-Helaire, LSU (5-8, 211, 4.58)
Burrow is the undisputed lead singer, but Edwards-Helaire has been a vital cog in LSU’s offensive machine and continues to ascend in the minds of NFL evaluators. He leads the SEC in rushing touchdowns (16), averages 6.5 yards per carry and is up to 50 receptions – several talented wideout prospects (like Jalen Reagor and Henry Ruggs) have yet to reach 50 catches in 2019.

9. *Cam Akers, Florida State (5-11, 214, 4.47)
10. *Eno Benjamin, Arizona State (5-9, 205, 4.48)

Wide receivers
1. *CeeDee Lamb, Oklahoma (6-1, 192, 4.48)
2. *Henry Ruggs, Alabama (5-11, 192, 4.32)
3. *Jerry Jeudy, Alabama (6-1, 195, 4.50)
4. Laviska Shenault, Colorado (6-2, 224, 4.55)
5. *Tee Higgins, Clemson (6-3, 205, 4.47)
6. *DeVonta Smith, Alabama (6-1, 178, 4.46)
With a frail-looking frame, Smith doesn’t necessarily pass the eye test, but the more you watch him, the more you run out of reasons for why he shouldn’t be considered in the first round. The two most important traits for a wide receiver: get open and catch the football. And Smith has the quickness to beat press and create separation plus arguably the best ball skills on the Alabama roster, which is certainly high praise considering the other names on the Tide depth chart.

7. Jalen Reagor, TCU (5-10, 196, 4.42)
8. Brandon Aiyuk, Arizona State (6-0, 203, 4.45)
9. *KJ Hamler, Penn State (5-9, 174, 4.44)
10. *Donovan Peoples-Jones, Michigan (6-2, 211, 4.46)

Tight ends
1. *Cole Kmet, Notre Dame (6-6, 255, 4.68)
2. Hunter Bryant, Washington (6-2, 244, 4.63)
3. Jared Pinkney, Vanderbilt (6-4, 250, 4.78)
4. Albert Okwuegbunam, Missouri (6-4, 264, 4.76)
5. Adam Trautman, Dayton (6-5, 256, 4.76)
A quarterback his entire life, Trautman moved to tight end in college and caught his first career pass (in his life) in 2016. The level of competition is obviously an asterisk on his scouting report, but he was easily the best athlete on the field on his game tapes, showing a loose body type, strong routes and aggressive ball skills. The Senior Bowl will be an important step in his evaluation and it wouldn’t be a surprise if Trautman is a “riser” throughout the process.

6. Brycen Hopkins, Purdue (6-4, 247, 4.79)
7. Harrison Bryant, Florida Atlantic (6-5, 244, 4.78)
8. *Colby Parkinson, Stanford (6-6, 244, 4.74)
9. *Matt Bushman, BYU (6-5, 242, 4.78)
10. *Tony Poljan, Central Michigan (6-6, 255, 4.82)

Offensive tackles
1. *Jedrick Wills Jr., Alabama (6-5, 322, 5.28)
While most have Wirfs or Thomas as OT1, Wills is the best tackle prospect I have evaluated in this class. He is explosive through his hips with the wide, lower body movements to mirror in pass protection and the upper body power to steamroll defenders in the run game. While he needs some fine-tuning, Wills has all the talent and upside to be a top-five pick in this draft.

2. *Tristan Wirfs, Iowa (6-5, 320, 5.08)
3. *Andrew Thomas, Georgia (6-5, 318, 5.11)
4. *Austin Jackson, USC (6-6, 308, 5.08)
5. Josh Jones, Houston (6-5, 309, 5.31)
6. *Isaiah Wilson, Georgia (6-7, 339, 5.42)
7. *Mekhi Becton, Louisville (6-7, 365, 5.47)
8. *Alex Leatherwood, Alabama (6-5, 320, 5.30)
9. Trey Adams, Washington (6-8, 304, 5.27)
10. *Samuel Cosmi, Texas (6-7, 302, 5.10)

Interior offensive line
1. *Creed Humphrey, Oklahoma (6-4, 328, 5.29)
2. *Lloyd Cushenberry, LSU (6-3, 312, 5.21)
3. *Trey Smith, Tennessee (6-5, 330, 5.27)
4. *Tyler Biadasz, Wisconsin (6-2, 322, 5.26)
A three-year starter at center, Biadasz isn’t quite the first-round prospect many thought over the summer, but he wins with a technically sound approach and finishing attitude. However, his lack of ideal athleticism for the position is a concern that can be exploited vs. fast and physical linemen, which he will see quite often in the NFL.

5. *Matt Hennessy, Temple (6-3, 293, 5.05)
6. John Simpson, Clemson (6-4, 336, 5.26)
7. Robert Hunt, Louisiana (6-5, 314, 5.35)
8. *Wyatt Davis, Ohio State (6-4, 315, 5.28)
9. *Cesar Ruiz, Michigan (6-4, 320, 5.10)
10. Logan Stenberg, Kentucky (6-6, 321, 5.36)

Edge rushers
1. *Chase Young, Ohio State (6-5, 266, 4.76)
2. *A.J. Epenesa, Iowa (6-5, 284, 4.75)
3. Yetur Gross-Matos, Penn State (6-5, 264, 4.67)
4. *Terrell Lewis, Alabama (6-5, 258, 4.65)
5. *K’Lavon Chaisson, LSU (6-3, 239, 4.64)
6. Khalid Kareem, Notre Dame (6-4, 262, 4.84)
I’m probably on an island by ranking Kareem above Okwara, who is clearly the more athletic of the two Notre Dame edge players. But Kareem is the better and more well-rounded football player right now. He sets a physical edge and introduces power in his pass rush, using his hands as weapons. And while not an athletic marvel like Okwara, Kareem has the quickness to capture the edge.

7. Julian Okwara, Notre Dame (6-5, 242, 4.56)
8. *Carlos Basham, Wake Forest (6-5, 278, 4.78)
9. Jonathan Greenard, Florida (6-3, 265, 4.84)
10. *Curtis Weaver, Boise State (6-3, 264, 4.79)

Interior defensive line
1. Derrick Brown, Auburn (6-4, 325, 5.02)
2. Javon Kinlaw, South Carolina (6-5, 308, 5.06)
3. *Marvin Wilson, Florida State (6-4, 318, 5.20)
4. *Justin Madubuike, Texas A&M (6-3, 303, 5.17)
5. Neville Gallimore, Oklahoma (6-2, 302, 4.92)
6. Raekwon Davis, Alabama (6-6, 315, 5.14)
7. Jordan Elliott, Missouri (6-4, 325, 5.20)
8. Leki Fotu, Utah (6-5, 332, 5.07)
9. *Ross Blacklock, TCU (6-4, 331, 5.20)
10. Davon Hamilton, Ohio State (6-4, 317, 5.43)
One of the biggest senior risers throughout this season, Hamilton is playing the best football of his life at the right time. Lined up as the Buckeyes’ nose tackle, he carries his weight well with the physical hands to create movement at the point of attack. Hamilton will get himself in trouble with his upright rush style, but he does a great job tracking the football and retracing his steps to make stops.

Linebackers
1. *Isaiah Simmons, Clemson (6-3, 228, 4.49)
2. *Dylan Moses, Alabama (6-2, 236, 4.59)
3. *Kenneth Murray, Oklahoma (6-2, 243, 4.60)
4. Zack Baun, Wisconsin (6-2, 227, 4.66)
A former high school quarterback, Baun is an explosive athlete with the upfield quickness to pressure the pocket and the fluid speed to turn and cover downfield. He plays more on pure instinct than technical know-how right now, but his active play style and effort consistently affects the game, projecting as a versatile off-ball linebacker.

5. *Patrick Queen, LSU (6-2, 233, 4.74)
6. Akeem Davis-Gaither, Appalachian State (6-2, 212, 4.54)
7. Malik Harrison, Ohio State (6-3, 251, 4.73)
8. Troy Dye, Oregon (6-3, 218, 4.62)
9. Logan Wilson, Wyoming (6-0, 241, 4.68)
10. Jordyn Brooks, Texas Tech (6-2, 245, 4.85)

Cornerbacks
1. *Jeffrey Okudah, Ohio State (6-1, 200, 4.45)
2. Trevon Diggs, Alabama (6-2, 202, 4.42)
3. *Shaun Wade, Ohio State (6-0, 195, 4.47)
4. Kristian Fulton, LSU (6-0, 194, 4.46)
5. CJ Henderson, Florida (6-1, 196, 4.43)
6. Damon Arnette, Ohio State (6-0, 197, 4.49)
While he was dead set on entering the NFL Draft last year, Arnette had a last-minute change of heart and made important improvements as a senior that has his NFL draft stock pointing north. Although his aggressive nature downfield will get him in trouble, he has cut down on the panic plays and offers the loose hips and foot quickness to stay hip-to-hip in man coverage. Arnette is also one of the better run defending defensive backs I have scouted this season.

7. *A.J. Terrell, Clemson (6-1, 192, 4.49)
8. *Jaylon Johnson, Utah (5-10, 194, 4.45)
9. Jeff Gladney, TCU (5-10, 183, 4.43)
10. Cameron Dantzler, Mississippi State (6-2, 183, 4.48)

Safeties
1. *Grant Delpit, LSU (6-2, 206, 4.56)
2. *Xavier McKinney, Alabama (6-1, 204, 4.60)
3. Ashtyn Davis, California (6-1, 201, 4.44)
4. Kyle Dugger, Lenoir-Rhyne (6-1, 218, 4.45)
Coming from Division II, Dugger’s evaluation will hinge on his Senior Bowl performance against better competition. But area scouts have been raving about his talent over the last two years. With near-linebacker size, Dugger has verified 4.45 speed to close downhill in the run game or flip his hips and cover downfield. It is tough to get too excited about this year’s safety class, but maybe Dugger can help change that narrative.

5. Terrell Burgess, Utah (6-0, 194, 4.50)
6. *Antoine Winfield Jr., Minnesota (5-10, 207, 4.58)
7. Brandon Jones, Texas (5-11, 202, 4.45)
8. *Hamsah Nasirildeen, Florida State (6-3, 216, 4.58)
9. K’Von Wallace, Clemson (5-11, 205, 4.61)
10. Brian Cole, Mississippi State (6-2, 209, 4.54)

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

Man, this QB and RB class is really weak. Great OT and WR class, though, and I think the TE's can be really good as well.

 

[I'mWithDan]

Was kind of surprised to see Jordan Love declare, considering his age and his graduation status. He won't be 22 until November of next year. Thought it was a great opportunity to transfer to Oregon, Oklahoma, etc.....somewhere like that, where he would be surrounded by more offensive talent and rehab his image.....and still only be 22 at the 2021 draft.

He still has a ton of arm talent but man, it is really a risk with how awful he was this season, in comparison to expectations. He was pretty bad out of structure and he had some serious happy feet in the pocket. Some of that can be attributed to Utah State underperforming a bit up front but there's a lot of junior year data that is concerning.

I would like him in a developmental situation but think he could completely bust out if he has to play right away.

 

[AZ_]

Was most shocked that he had Thomas 3rd in his OT rankings.

Just doesn't align with what I saw on tape at all. But pray to God the league feels the same way.

 

[Jordan]

I have to imagine that the Browns will look at drafting a QB in the mid-rounds. Is there anyone that projects to be a solid backup right when drafted? I.E., someone who is not raw, but lacks the physical tools to last a long time in the NFL?

 

[DJTJ]

Man, this QB and RB class is really weak. Great OT and WR class, though, and I think the TE's can be really good as well.

totally disagree on rbs. Think this class might not have your traditional bell cow backs, but there’s a lot to like.

 

[AZ_]

I have to imagine that the Browns will look at drafting a QB in the mid-rounds. Is there anyone that projects to be a solid backup right when drafted? I.E., someone who is not raw, but lacks the physical tools to last a long time in the NFL?

I think Kellen Mond is who I'd target in the middle rounds.

Sort of the opposite of the profile you've laid out. All the physical tools, but just stuck in an offense that hasn't been able to maximize them.

Sort of like Mahomes during his time at Tech. You see jaw-dropping skills, but for one reason or another was just wildly inconsistent.

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

Remember the name Harrison Bryant, btw. Dude is a freak and was extremely productive at FAU.

I also really like Stanley from Iowa.

 

[Kbiz]

With how deep this OT class is, I would go OT-OT my first two picks unless we plan to target any in FA (if that is even possible with our current cap situation).

Safety will likely need addressed as well but Redwine could potentially take a leap next year with more playing time. He's been a bright spot albeit in a small sample size.

If we resign Joe Scho, you can plug Wilson into a starting role next year but could use some additional depth there assuming we are gonna part ways with Kirksey.