2020 NBA Draft

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This isn't a draft to get too cute trading back for a specific player a team thinks will slide. The top three of Ball, Wiseman and Edwards seem to be creating a little distance... eventhough more players are shutting it down early than I ever remember. Even those players are more like Garland - projected to eventually develop into solid starters but not plug and play type prospects.

The silver lining for me in this draft is that the Cavaliers were aggressive adding prospects late in the 2019 draft, which I felt had great depth. This draft is way more like the dreaded 2013 draft. Nobody knows who will improve and who is going to flame out.

Okongwu > Wiseman, trade back and get Okongwu + asset

 

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Okongwu > Wiseman, trade back and get Okongwu + asset

A 6’9 center? Sounds disastrous. What makes him better than 7’1 Wiseman?

 

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A 6’9 center? Sounds disastrous. What makes him better than 7’1 Wiseman?

Cooler name.. but seriously, Bam Adebayo is 6'9 and I see a lot of similarities between the two. Wiseman will be a risky pick without many games played + he seemed kind of limited on offense.

 

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

Obi Toppin, Tyler Bey

 

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Cooler name.. but seriously, Bam Adebayo is 6'9 and I see a lot of similarities between the two. Wiseman will be a risky pick without many games played + he seemed kind of limited on offense.

Bam doesn’t start at Center tho, do he? I have no desire for undersized big men. TT, Love, Nance. I’ve had enough. Ill still take a peak tho.

Wiseman limited? 19/10 in 3 games?

He already has a connection with Garland. There’s no way I’ll pass on him.

 

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Bam doesn’t start at Center tho, do he? I have no desire for undersized big men. TT, Love, Nance. I’ve had enough. Ill still take a peak tho.

Wiseman limited? 19/10 in 3 games?

He already has a connection with Garland. There’s no way I’ll pass on him.

Bam is the Center, Leonard is the PF. If they’re listed as otherwise then good on them but Bam defends the C, contests the jump and plays inside. He also couldn’t play with Whiteside and they traded Whiteside who is 7’1 in favour of 6’9 Bam.. seems to be working for them
Wiseman has no real post game, no passing ability and was dominating becuase he is bigger than everyone in college, which doesn’t always translate.
None of those undersized bigs you named have a 7’1 wingspan like Okongwu either


What is his connection with Garland?

 

[Muffinalt]

Obi Toppin, Tyler Bey

I would be really excited if we drafted Obi Toppin. Kind of a nice open situation for him too if we manage to trade Love and not take back a youngish pf.

I think Toppin's offense is going to be great for sure, but I see the concerns about his lateral movement defensively (weakside rim protection probably fine coz he can hop). How do you see his defense at the next level?

 

[Muffinalt]

Bam doesn’t start at Center tho, do he? I have no desire for undersized big men. TT, Love, Nance. I’ve had enough. Ill still take a peak tho.

Wiseman limited? 19/10 in 3 games?

He already has a connection with Garland. There’s no way I’ll pass on him.

I'm really curious why some view Wiseman as a can't miss prospect. Of course he has jaw dropping physical tools and teams are probably more likely in general to take on athletic projects like him if they're a big man rather than shorter wings or guards. But beyond that reason I dont see so much going for him right now.

He's kind of like the Cam Raddish of this draft, where people fall in love with the potential image rather than the actual things he does. For the record I did too, when I first saw him I was like this physical specimen is simply too outrageous not to become a good player. But when I watched him more I quickly became very lukewarm.

Anyway, can you elaborate why you think so highly of him?

 

[TyGuy]

I want nothing more than to get an elite wing but i'm not seeing one and wiseman looks like he projects pretty well defensively at the next level, and that's all I really care about in a center prospect knowing that big men primarily display their impact on defense. Can he be a finisher around the basket, can he defend and can he rebound? The answers look to be a yes for all three from what i've seen. I'd be pretty thrilled to get him and hopefully get an elite wing in a future draft.

 

[TyGuy]

Not true, KAT, JoJo and JJJ all showed flashes of skills that translate well to the way the game is played in the pros. Ayton certainly didn’t, which is the reason why so many people wondered if he was the right pick as the first big off the board, much less first overall.

We need to ask ourselves what we want from a cornerstone Big man on a succesful NBA team. He needs to be able to protect the rim, defend on the perimeter and space floor. If he can do all those things it’s a slam dunk. if he can protect the rim and defend the perimeter, you need account for the lack of firepower at the other positions, especially the four.

Poor perimeter defense is a different matter though, and it is much harder to cover up and keep opposing teams from exploiting, same goes for rim protection.

Which of these areas have Wiseman shown any indication that he will excel in? He does not space the floor, which will Force the team to compensate for it at other positions. He has not shown anything on the court that points towards him being a capable perimeter defender, which makes the defense imminently exploitable. He has the physical tools you’d like to see in an elite rim protector, but hasn’t shown the production to back it up.

I just don’t see it with Wiseman. How is he any more enticing than someone like Ayton or Bagley? Both of those guys are fine players, they can certainly be productive rotation players, but I don’t think either of those guys and their respective skillsets are good building blocks to base your team on.

If you're a legit modern center you don't need to space the floor as long as you can be a great pick setter and rim runner, provide excellent defense and rebounding. Being able to make spot up threes would be a bonus, but I care more about defense from my big. Gobert isn't good at defending in space, but that doesn't stop him from making a massive impact on defense.

 

[ajz20]

Thoughts on Nwora and Nesmith?

 

[Nathan S]

Is there any real evidence that Wiseman will be an above-average defensive center at the NBA level? He was unremarkable at best against Oregon, which was the only decent offense he faced in his brief college career. His EYBL stats of 1.8 blocks and 0.5 steals per game aren't terrible, but aren't awe-inspiring either. Unless the team that drafts him really wants to double-down on his post game, he just seems like a dunk/rebound machine big. Not the worst thing in the world, but not a rare commodity either.

 

[Athaloc]

Is there any real evidence that Wiseman will be an above-average defensive center at the NBA level? He was unremarkable at best against Oregon, which was the only decent offense he faced in his brief college career. His EYBL stats of 1.8 blocks and 0.5 steals per game aren't terrible, but aren't awe-inspiring either. Unless the team that drafts him really wants to double-down on his post game, he just seems like a dunk/rebound machine big. Not the worst thing in the world, but not a rare commodity either.

Nope

 

[ajz20]

Is there any real evidence that Wiseman will be an above-average defensive center at the NBA level? He was unremarkable at best against Oregon, which was the only decent offense he faced in his brief college career. His EYBL stats of 1.8 blocks and 0.5 steals per game aren't terrible, but aren't awe-inspiring either. Unless the team that drafts him really wants to double-down on his post game, he just seems like a dunk/rebound machine big. Not the worst thing in the world, but not a rare commodity either.

You are basically getting an athletic 5 star kid who is very raw and not very skilled. Bust or boom type of player that will take time to develop. My biggest concern is the notion that he does not always go 100 percent, which can be a huge red flag. Problem is he is one of the few players in the draft that have all star potential. Not saying he reaches it, because he needs significant development but it will be enough to make someone in the top 10 take him.

 

[Nathan S]

You are basically getting an athletic 5 star kid who is very raw and not very skilled. Bust or boom type of player that will take time to develop. My biggest concern is the notion that he does not always go 100 percent, which can be a huge red flag. Problem is he is one of the few players in the draft that have all star potential. Not saying he reaches it, because he needs significant development but it will be enough to make someone in the top 10 take him.

I buy that description of him. Disagree that he has some special star potential that makes him worth a mid/high lottery pick. Sure, it doesn't hurt to be big and athletic, but how many current All-Stars were drafted primarily for size and athleticism rather than skill?