2020 Offseason

[Nathan S]

How is Dotson even comparable to Clarkson, a ball-dominant scoring guard?

Isn't scoring the one thing Dotson is hypothetically okay at? He's a scoring guard who isn't good enough at scoring to justify giving him the ball, and then he pouts and gets benched. Maybe I'm being overly cynical, but that's my understanding.

 

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

Cedi is always an option if we really want an off-ball guy in that spot. I just don't see the fit for Dotson at all. Cavs fans uniformly agreed that Clarkson was a horrible fit here. Dotson is like if you took Clarkson and stripped him of his few redeeming qualities. I absolutely hate it.

Isn't scoring the one thing Dotson is hypothetically okay at? He's a scoring guard who isn't good enough at scoring to justify giving him the ball, and then he pouts and gets benched. Maybe I'm being overly cynical, but that's my understanding.

Not really. Dotson is a low usg% guy that is a pretty good catch and shoot player. Doesn't take many shots and doesn't handle the ball very much. He is solid defensively and would not require the ball and thus would not create any issues with our young core at least on the floor.

I don't see much similarity to Clarkson. Dotson is a worse player overall, but not detrimental to the development of our young players or whatever we are trying to accomplish I assume.

He was signed to a pretty good contract and if he manages to outplay it's value, he may fetch something at the deadline to a desperate playoffs team for whatever reason. Either way I don't see a major downside to this signing if you are only gauging his value on the floor; off the court it's entirely different story and I have no idea what his influence might be.

 

[Nathan S]

Not really. Dotson is a low usg% guy that is a pretty good catch and shoot player. Doesn't take many shots and doesn't handle the ball very much. He is solid defensively and would not require the ball and thus would not create any issues with our young core at least on the floor.

I don't see much similarity to Clarkson. Dotson is a worse player overall, but not detrimental to the development of our young players or whatever we are trying to accomplish I assume.

He was signed to a pretty good contract and if he manages to outplay it's value, he may fetch something at the deadline to a desperate playoffs team for whatever reason. Either way I don't see a major downside to this signing if you are only gauging his value on the floor; off the court it's entirely different story and I have no idea what his influence might be.

Very well. If he's not gonna demand the ball, and he's not gonna cause trouble off the court, I can live with a guy who just kind of runs around and occasionally makes 3's.

 

[MirORich]

Assuming it’s a team option in year two so ultimately unless the guy completely exceeds all projections based on his past, his just filling roster space, playing some occasional minutes when someone else is injured or having an off night, and eventually either let go in the offseason or used at the trade deadline to aggregate the necessary salary to make some trade work.

Looking into to much more than that on a positive or negative angle is overkill.

 

[Erbium]

Adding Javale and Dotson at the very least provides them w/ 2 more tradeable pieces at the deadline. Those min salary guys like McKinnie and Bell would be next to useless as salary filler in any potential deal. Combining Javale/Dotson's contract with Exum at the deadline might present some trade options for them. Just spitballin here..

This.

Dotson contract details been released yet on year 2?

If it's a mutual team/player option, that takes the Cavs up to $16M+ available in tradeable expiring pieces.

We overreact to the idea of Dotson, or McGee, when these guys may just be accumulated as tradeable assets to absorb or match salary in trades.

When Morey or Presti does that kind of thing they are genius for the cap mechanics and no one cares how terrible the players are;, when Koby (might?) be doing it, we assume him to be a terrible talent evaluator, and not performing cap gymnastics/creating cap flexibility.

Prior to the last 2 days, we had no one of zero consequence that we could trade with a guaranteed contract aside from Exum. Now, we have Exum, McGee and Dotson. Whether these guys are any good is really only half of what we need to be thinking about....

A fun exercise in perspective is to look at executive records on basketball reference. Presti is a particualrly great one...(https://www.basketball-reference.com/executives/prestsa99x.html ). This thing is littered with questionable moves we would kill Koby for...

 

[ansatsusha80]

 

[Mott the Hoople]

I'm ok with Dotson. But I was hoping we could upgrade from Delly.

 

[WorldFreeB]

I'm ok with Dotson. But I was hoping we could upgrade from Delly.

He'll be more coach/mentor than player. We have to develop the young guys,,Sexton/Garland/KPj/Windler,,,there aren't extra minutes
out there for other players.

 

[inliner311]

My guess he had very few choices. Happy to have Delly back. My guess is his choice next year will be to be a coach or go back to Australia to play.

 

[MirORich]

As expected

 

[BodegaBayCav]

Thrilled to have Delly Back. One of my all-time Cavs favorites because of 2015. No one has ever played harder than Delly, imo.
From Wiki:
In Game 2 of the NBA Finals against the Golden State Warriors, in the absence of the injured Kyrie Irving, Dellavedova held Stephen Curry to 0-of-8 shooting and four turnovers while guarding him.[39][40] The Cavaliers won Game 2 in double-overtime, 95–93, for their first victory of an NBA Finals game in franchise history.[41][42] In Game 3, Dellavedova scored a playoff career-high 20 points as the Cavaliers defeated the Warriors to take a 2–1 series lead.[43] After the game, Dellavedova was so dehydrated that he needed an IV,[44][45] and he was quickly taken to the Cleveland Clinic for medical attention.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

So is that it? Are we done?
Are we going to war with this group?

Drummond
McGee
Wade
Love
Nance
Okoro
Osman
Windler
Garland
Exum
Delly
Sexton
KPJ
Dotson
I was hoping we would add a key foundational piece this off-season. Maybe that's Okoro, but as a rookie, it's hard to believe he will get important minutes.

 

[foucault87]

I was hoping we would add a key foundational piece this off-season. Maybe that's Okoro, but as a rookie, it's hard to believe he will get important minutes.

In fairness, thats a lot to hope for given we had one pick and no cap space. I think Koby has done a solid job with those limits. I would've liked him to buy into the 2nd round to get another wing or big (Tillman, Reed, Woodard etc). Also wouldn't have minded getting a young center like Giles.

Either way, this season looks like it will be the best of both worlds. The Cavs will play some entertaining ball, upset a few good teams who come in expecting an easy win, lose a lot of games, develop the young guys, and hopefully with a little luck, get an amazing draft slot to round out the young core.

 

[dartandbeer]

My guess he had very few choices. Happy to have Delly back. My guess is his choice next year will be to be a coach or go back to Australia to play.

Apparently Lakers were keen to sign him
Gees Twitter would have exploded if he did

 

[Muffinalt]

This.

Dotson contract details been released yet on year 2?

If it's a mutual team/player option, that takes the Cavs up to $16M+ available in tradeable expiring pieces.

We overreact to the idea of Dotson, or McGee, when these guys may just be accumulated as tradeable assets to absorb or match salary in trades.

When Morey or Presti does that kind of thing they are genius for the cap mechanics and no one cares how terrible the players are;, when Koby (might?) be doing it, we assume him to be a terrible talent evaluator, and not performing cap gymnastics/creating cap flexibility.

Prior to the last 2 days, we had no one of zero consequence that we could trade with a guaranteed contract aside from Exum. Now, we have Exum, McGee and Dotson. Whether these guys are any good is really only half of what we need to be thinking about....

A fun exercise in perspective is to look at executive records on basketball reference. Presti is a particualrly great one...(https://www.basketball-reference.com/executives/prestsa99x.html ). This thing is littered with questionable moves we would kill Koby for...

Good post. There's just no winning for GMs in sports, really anywhere. So hard to find a fanbase that's generally happy with their current GM because we dissect every little move and perceived opportunity cost. Whereas with the other GMs it's kind of the opposite, moves are judged easily, most of the time without knowing the full set of circumstances and info.

Just the nature of being a GM. Better to be patient as a fan, optimistic and enjoy the wins however small imo.