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Cleveland Cavaliers' five best options with No. 5 pick in 2020 NBA Draft: Chris Fedor

The Cavs are in a tricky spot. Not only are they sitting behind teams at the center of offseason trade rumors, but the poor view of this draft hasn’t changed.
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Cleveland Cavaliers Shouldnât Be Looking To Acquire Another First Round-Pick In 2020 NBA Draft

After a few delays, the 2020 NBA Draft is almost here. The Cleveland Cavaliers should only be picking once for a handful of reasons.
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The hypothetical deal starts with Boston moving up to No. 5 and the Cavs dropping to 14. The Celtics would then include No. 26 plus Robert Williams and Hayward for Drummond and a salary filler piece (maybe Alfonzo McKinnie or Jordan Bell), giving Boston the center it covets and needed roster flexibility while the Cavs fill their wing void with the versatile Hayward, snag an intriguing young center and get two first-rounders. It’s something to think about.

I'm all in on this. Haywood and Drummond are on the final year of their contracts so they cancel each other out. So it's the #5 for Williams and the #14. I don't put much if any value on the #26.

I'm fine with getting Williams to drop from #5 to #14. I'm not sure the Cavs are, however.
 
Wham with the Right Hand said:
The hypothetical deal starts with Boston moving up to No. 5 and the Cavs dropping to 14. The Celtics would then include No. 26 plus Robert Williams and Hayward for Drummond and a salary filler piece (maybe Alfonzo McKinnie or Jordan Bell), giving Boston the center it covets and needed roster flexibility while the Cavs fill their wing void with the versatile Hayward, snag an intriguing young center and get two first-rounders. It’s something to think about.

I'm all in on this. Haywood and Drummond are on the final year of their contracts so they cancel each other out. So it's the #5 for Williams and the #14. I don't put much if any value on the #26.

I'm fine with getting Williams to drop from #5 to #14. I'm not sure the Cavs are, however.
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The Cavaliers give up the better pick AND the better player...hard pass.

This does seem like a typical deal Ainge would make, especially with us, though. #DoubleHardPass
 
Wham with the Right Hand said:
The hypothetical deal starts with Boston moving up to No. 5 and the Cavs dropping to 14. The Celtics would then include No. 26 plus Robert Williams and Hayward for Drummond and a salary filler piece (maybe Alfonzo McKinnie or Jordan Bell), giving Boston the center it covets and needed roster flexibility while the Cavs fill their wing void with the versatile Hayward, snag an intriguing young center and get two first-rounders. It’s something to think about.

I'm all in on this. Haywood and Drummond are on the final year of their contracts so they cancel each other out. So it's the #5 for Williams and the #14. I don't put much if any value on the #26.

I'm fine with getting Williams to drop from #5 to #14. I'm not sure the Cavs are, however.
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IMO Drummond & Hayward cancel each other out. I actually think Drummond is a better player at his position than Hayward is, but centers are just SO devalued nowadays.

So, that deal is really then #5 for Williams, #14, & #26. It really becomes about who the Cavs can get at 14 & 26 vs 5. If the guy they can get at 14 is about the same as who they feel they could get at 5 then it’s a good deal. Williams is a rebounding & defense guy who won’t give you much scoring.
 
From the Forbes column:

Also, after the Cavaliers pick fifth-overall there’s a steep drop off in terms of talent.

If that's true then it doesn't make sense to drop from 5 to 14. The Cavs should be seeking quality, not quantity. I remember watching Robert Williams play in an exhibition game against the Cavs and was very impressed by his energy and shot blocking. He reminded me of a Tristan Thompson with more hops and rim protection, which is what this team needs.

Fedor's column made the point that after the first tier of three players the second tier consists of many players, all of whom have positives and negatives. IOW, there is not much difference between #4 and #10 or thereabouts. Fedor's preference is for the Cavs to trade down a few spots and he mentioned Boston as one of the possibilities. I'm not crazy about dropping all the way to 14 but I like Williams a lot and I don't expect TT or Drummond to be on the team after this season.

Having watched some film and analysis on Okoro and Vassell I can see how these guys would fit on this team and could develop into valuable pieces. I also like Okongwu for his rim protection. I think the Cavs were the worst team in the NBA at rim protection last year.

Fedor also made the point that centers will be in ample supply, so maybe getting a center like Okongwu or trading down to get Robert Williams is not a priority. The Cavs say they'll take the best player regardless of position. Even if they take a wing like Okoro or Vassell and lose both TT and Drummond they can easily sign a center after this season, especially with Drummond's salary coming off the books.

I assume they'll stand pat and take Okoro, Toppin, or even Vassell who plays great defense and shot 41% on 3's.
 
This is an interesting draft. I see a top tier of 3-5 guys:

Edwards
Wiseman- I hear Charlotte loves him
Ball
Toppin
Avidja

Teams are likely to be divided on Ball & Toppin, albeit for different reasons. Ball because of his ugly shot & his family and Toppin because of his age & poor defense. I think any of the top 5 could go #1.

After that, there’s a grouping of about 15 players who are all pretty close together.

If Ball or Toppin are left on the board for the Cavs at #5, they would likely be very open to trading back.
 
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I think the Cavs would be very interested in trading back. Many clubs have the same idea. I'd keep an eye on Boston. They have multiple 1st round picks.
 
sailfish said:
So, that deal is really then #5 for Williams, #14, & #26. It really becomes about who the Cavs can get at 14 & 26 vs 5. If the guy they can get at 14 is about the same as who they feel they could get at 5 then it’s a good deal. Williams is a rebounding & defense guy who won’t give you much scoring.
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Of course, there's no way for the Cavs to know who is going to be there at 14 and 26 until those picks roll around. I suppose if it gets to 5 and the Cavs see no difference between that guy and the next 9 guys they have on their board...sure. But I think that's very unlikely.
 
Gotta stay at #5 overall and hope your scouting department can actually do their job. There will be a good player there. Whether he’s projected to go 5, 15, 20, I don’t care. Find the difference maker and take him. I swear the average NBA scouting department is so bad you’re just as well off going off an online amateur’s board or throwing darts once you get past the first couple sure things.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
I think the Cavs would be very interested in trading back. Many clubs have the same idea. I'd keep an eye on Boston. They have multiple 1st round picks.
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I wouldn’t want to slide as far back as #14. The team I have an eye on is New York at #8. I think there’s a very real chance that Ball slips to #5. Ball & the Knicks have been eyeing one another for awhile now. The Cavs could swap picks with the Knicks, while also picking up Dallas’ 2021 1st. At #8, the Cavs would likely still have a choice of Okoro, Okongwu, & Patrick Williams.
 
sailfish said:
This is an interesting draft. I see a top tier of 3-5 guys:

Edwards
Wiseman- I hear Charlotte loves him
Ball
Toppin
Avidja

Teams are likely to be divided on Ball & Toppin, albeit for different reasons. Ball because of his ugly shot & his family and Toppin because of his age & poor defense. I think any of the top 5 could go #1.

After that, there’s a grouping of about 15 players who are all pretty close together.

If Ball or Toppin are left on the board for the Cavs at #5, they would likely be very open to trading back.
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The fly in the ointment here is the team picking at #4 Chicago really needs a point guard bad...if they take Hayes or Halliburton the cavs could pick
from the rest,,,I think they would probably take Avdija if that's the case. That would be the best scenario the cavs can hope for. I don't think there is any
way Ball makes it to 5,,,he will go top 3,,,if he's still there at 4 the Bulls would take him.
 
WorldFreeB said:
The fly in the ointment here is the team picking at #4 Chicago really needs a point guard bad...if they take Hayes or Halliburton the cavs could pick
from the rest,,,I think they would probably take Avdija if that's the case. That would be the best scenario the cavs can hope for. I don't think there is any
way Ball makes it to 5,,,he will go top 3,,,if he's still there at 4 the Bulls would take him.
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I’m not sure about the Bulls taking Ball. They drafted Coby White, signed Tomas Satoransky, and still have Kris Dunn. White may not be a pure point guard, but he was drafted to play the position. Let’s not forget they also have Zach LaVine.

Avidja may appeal to them as he can play some point forward, Otto Porter is entering the last year of his contract, and Karnisovas has a history of taking foreign players
 
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