2021-2022 Cavaliers General Discussion: Trade Deadline Edition

[RchfldCavRaised]

Despite being 0-2 so early in the year, I think the Cavs are in a good place. They haven't been horrifically blown out and even kept it competitive late into games against two very hungry teams that are in the 8-10 seed range (where I expect us to be in about two years). Its a long season but the early signs overall seem promising. If we can figure out how to get an actual wing or two without costing too much of the other core guys, the Cavs could be a play in team as soon as next year.

I genuinely feel they could be a play-in/playoff team this year with a coaching upgrade and one wing acquisition

 

[Derek]

I genuinely feel they could be a play-in/playoff team this year with a coaching upgrade and one wing acquisition

It’s too bad the internal interim candidates are wholly underwhelming.

 

[cabs]

I genuinely feel they could be a play-in/playoff team this year with a coaching upgrade and one wing acquisition

A GM upgrade

 

[red.]

It’s too bad the internal interim candidates are wholly underwhelming.

Eh. I'd take a look at Greg Buckner. He won when JBB was out for a game.

 

[red.]

 

[Dr. Claw]

Despite being 0-2 so early in the year, I think the Cavs are in a good place. They haven't been horrifically blown out and even kept it competitive late into games against two very hungry teams that are in the 8-10 seed range (where I expect us to be in about two years). Its a long season but the early signs overall seem promising. If we can figure out how to get an actual wing or two without costing too much of the other core guys, the Cavs could be a play in team as soon as next year.

I was disappointed in the point total last night but the Cavs are assisting a lot more on their scores. That is a very encouraging trend.
The Black Hole gonna Black Hole as far as the wings go. I know it's been almost 5 wings, but you have to hit with ATL-level precision to bang nowadays. The league wants everyone to be the effin' Warriors. Meanwhile I am glad the last three NBA champions were not major followers of that motif.

All of them had BOSS TIER wings, though... something the Cavs lack. More scores over 110.

 

[red.]

I wish JBB would’ve used the DG, Sexton, Lauri, Mobley and Allen lineup in preseason. Playing the same starters from last season and not experimenting in the preseason was a mess IMO because now Okoro is on the bench and Lauri is starting and the lineup doesn’t have a feel for each other yet.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

I wish JBB would’ve used the DG, Sexton, Lauri, Mobley and Allen lineup in preseason. Playing the same starters from last season and not experimenting in the preseason was a mess IMO because now Okoro is on the bench and Lauri is starting and the lineup doesn’t have a feel for each other yet.

I just don't see how that lineup can work defensively.

 

[LeeBuckeye]

Memphis outrebounded the Cavs 53-36
Charlotte out rebounded the Cavs 46-36

It’s one thing to give up quick transition points to due slow footed bigs like Love even after a made basket but another to get destroyed on the boards despite having a size advantage on paper. The lack of toughness on this team is alarming despite the encouraging things we’ve seen on the offensive end. Lauri at SF gives you ZERO advantages (not getting clean looks on the outside and isn’t punishing smaller players inside while giving up easy looks on defense) so it should be shelved pretty quickly but we’ll see what happens next game.

This team isn’t far (HUGE need for a wing but not much success until then) but all I could think about after watching that game was this:

is JBB doing an injustice to the team Koby put together or is Koby the one that failed JBB in not getting pieces necessary to win. Really think they blew it in the preseason season too @red. If I was Koby I would have played the regular rotation guys every minute of every preseason game considering how tough the schedule was to iron out all the issues we’re seeing defensively. They certainly treated it like their jobs weren’t on the line.

 

[weepinwillow]

kind of over the 3 big line up. Use it as an occasional wrinkle, not a foundation of your line-up.
Pretty clear that Markkanan can't stay in-front of fleet of foot guys, and he's not balancing it out by hitting open 3's and rebounding. And when we run Love in for him and switch Mobley onto the 3 it's still bad, with Love missing shots, eating up possessions because you are fooled into thinking he's got a mismatch.
You'd be better off with the shooting limitations of Okoro but the defensive uptick on the perimeter with him in the line up.. heck, even Cedi at the 3 right now feels like a better option than Markk.
We get out rebounded despite having all this size because we aren't forcing contested jumpers, but are instead collapsing on endless penetration.
Move Markk to the bench, bring back Okoro and limit the big line up to only stretches where the match ups make sense or someone is hot. I'd probably dial back Kev's minutes a good deal too.
Rubio/Sexton/Okoro/Mobley/Allen is a solid enough defensive unit who can turn the floor over in a hurry on misses. and you can filter in your 3 point shooting as needed.
You might want to start off DG(or Rubio)/Okoro/Cedi/Mobley/Allen even. And nobody wants to see less of Osman than me, but he can hit a 3 if it's in rhythm, gets out on the break well and can half-ass defend the perimeter.
Regardless, we all knew the Cavs need a long, lanky 3 who can shoot and defend. Pretending Laurie or Mobley can really handle the spot is not doing anyone any favors.

 

[Ohioplayer00]

Mobley had zero offensive rebounds, Allen had one, and Luari had two. That'll get you killed against a running team. Maybe Mobley can get back in transition, but the other two really can't.

What’s killing this team is TOs on the perimeter that lead to run outs that the defense cannot get back quick enough to defend.

 

[Ozone]

kind of over the 3 big line up. Use it as an occasional wrinkle, not a foundation of your line-up.
Pretty clear that Markkanan can't stay in-front of fleet of foot guys, and he's not balancing it out by hitting open 3's and rebounding. And when we run Love in for him and switch Mobley onto the 3 it's still bad, with Love missing shots, eating up possessions because you are fooled into thinking he's got a mismatch.
You'd be better off with the shooting limitations of Okoro but the defensive uptick on the perimeter with him in the line up.. heck, even Cedi at the 3 right now feels like a better option than Markk.
We get out rebounded despite having all this size because we aren't forcing contested jumpers, but are instead collapsing on endless penetration.
Move Markk to the bench, bring back Okoro and limit the big line up to only stretches where the match ups make sense or someone is hot. I'd probably dial back Kev's minutes a good deal too.
Rubio/Sexton/Okoro/Mobley/Allen is a solid enough defensive unit who can turn the floor over in a hurry on misses. and you can filter in your 3 point shooting as needed.
You might want to start off DG(or Rubio)/Okoro/Cedi/Mobley/Allen even. And nobody wants to see less of Osman than me, but he can hit a 3 if it's in rhythm, gets out on the break well and can half-ass defend the perimeter.
Regardless, we all knew the Cavs need a long, lanky 3 who can shoot and defend. Pretending Laurie or Mobley can really handle the spot is not doing anyone any favors.

Cedi was the only one giving Ball fits yesterday and his offense is good so far playmaking and scoring. He is not going yolo like last season.
I think adding structure and defined roles helps everyone over time, but right now there is still a lot of ironing out to do and no way they abandon the big 3 line up completely even if it gets shelved off and on to get LM up to speed. Cannot be so quick to throw out the bath water , you might have to drink that through a filter if the drought hits Ohio

 

[CavsKermit]

I genuinely feel they could be a play-in/playoff team this year with a coaching upgrade and one wing acquisition

Maybe with a wing upgrade, but I'm not confident enough we'd be out of the lottery that I'd give up a first for one. Also, people act like other teams are open to moving good wings and that's really not the case. Obviously, any of Lauri, Cedi, and Love are/should be available. I'd add Sexton, Windler, and/or Okoro in the right deal. Most of our players aren't coveted by other teams. Also, you'd be selling low on Windler or Okoro.

 

[bs80]

kind of over the 3 big line up. Use it as an occasional wrinkle, not a foundation of your line-up.
Pretty clear that Markkanan can't stay in-front of fleet of foot guys, and he's not balancing it out by hitting open 3's and rebounding. And when we run Love in for him and switch Mobley onto the 3 it's still bad, with Love missing shots, eating up possessions because you are fooled into thinking he's got a mismatch.
You'd be better off with the shooting limitations of Okoro but the defensive uptick on the perimeter with him in the line up.. heck, even Cedi at the 3 right now feels like a better option than Markk.
We get out rebounded despite having all this size because we aren't forcing contested jumpers, but are instead collapsing on endless penetration.
Move Markk to the bench, bring back Okoro and limit the big line up to only stretches where the match ups make sense or someone is hot. I'd probably dial back Kev's minutes a good deal too.
Rubio/Sexton/Okoro/Mobley/Allen is a solid enough defensive unit who can turn the floor over in a hurry on misses. and you can filter in your 3 point shooting as needed.
You might want to start off DG(or Rubio)/Okoro/Cedi/Mobley/Allen even. And nobody wants to see less of Osman than me, but he can hit a 3 if it's in rhythm, gets out on the break well and can half-ass defend the perimeter.
Regardless, we all knew the Cavs need a long, lanky 3 who can shoot and defend. Pretending Laurie or Mobley can really handle the spot is not doing anyone any favors.

The three bigs lineup of Allen/Mobley/Markkanen is actually the second highest used three-player combo on the floor so far, logging a total of 35 minutes. Believe it or not, we have actually outscored the opposition with those three sharing the floor together. Of the 11 three-player combos that have logged 20 or minutes together, it is the most successful lineup in terms of NetRtg.

 

[weepinwillow]

The three bigs lineup of Allen/Mobley/Markkanen is actually the second highest used three-player combo on the floor so far, logging a total of 35 minutes. Believe it or not, we have actually outscored the opposition with those three sharing the floor together. Of the 11 three-player combos that have logged 20 or minutes together, it is the most successful lineup in terms of NetRtg.

Not surprising, as Allen and Mobley have been arguably our two best players so far and Markkanen seems to get minutes with the two.
I'll be there tonight, so will let JBB know we are all good with it.