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2021-2022 Cavaliers General Discussion: Trade Deadline Edition

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Who Should the Cavs Trade For?

  • Murray

    Votes: 18 37.5%

  • Lavert

    Votes: 17 35.4%

  • White

    Votes: 1 2.1%

  • Seth Curry

    Votes: 1 2.1%

  • Schroeder

    Votes: 7 14.6%

  • Tatum

    Votes: 3 6.3%

  • Hart

    Votes: 3 6.3%

  • Ingram

    Votes: 1 2.1%

  • Brown

    Votes: 2 4.2%

  • Jim Chones

    Votes: 9 18.8%
  • Total voters
    48
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Futuredome said:
Sexton without Garland definitely felt the pressure to do more late in the games. We saw it twice. Sexland is merging as a whole organic being. They don't feel complete without each other. Koby should be happy.
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so eager for Garland to still matter aren't you lol RR wins the gig every time unless they are still tanking which seems unlikely
 
Everyone is looking at the schedule and thinking we won’t get a W on our trip. It is this time of year that mediocre to bad teams steal wins from superior teams. Our worst Cavs teams have started with respectable records before the wheels fall off. We were 7-9 the year after LeBron left the first time before shit went downhill quickly. Last year we started with a good record then after the Nets back-to-back, shit went downhill. I’m glad the NBA did this to get some W’s against Western teams. Those Lakers are going down!!! LOL!!
 
macbdog said:
If y'all keep posting videos of him like this, he just might endear himself to us like Drew Gooden did. Drew was a basketball imbecile, but he was our imbecile.
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I feel like Denzel is Chicago's.
 
AllforOne said:
Agreed. It's a very damning indictment of Pangos that JBB won't play him, even with Garland out, 2-3 games into the season.
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He may not be an NBA player, but JBB’s refusal to play him is far from proof. Who has gotten minutes and why they have gotten them has been has been a mystery the entire time he’s been in charge.
 
Dr No said:
He may not be an NBA player, but JBB’s refusal to play him is far from proof. Who has gotten minutes and why they have gotten them has been has been a mystery the entire time he’s been in charge.
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really? Seems pretty cut and dry to me: drafted by the Cavs? Here are your minutes. Traded for by the Cavs: minutes for you! Signed as a flyer/throw away? Earn them bitches.
Pangos in firmly in the 3rd tier.
That said, I haven't seen anything from Pangos in preseason that led me to believe he needs to be in the rotation in anything but an emergency situation.
 
weepinwillow said:
really? Seems pretty cut and dry to me: drafted by the Cavs? Here are your minutes. Traded for by the Cavs: minutes for you! Signed as a flyer/throw away? Earn them bitches.
Pangos in firmly in the 3rd tier.
That said, I haven't seen anything from Pangos in preseason that led me to believe he needs to be in the rotation in anything but an emergency situation.
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on that level you are right, it is cut and dried - if you have a big contract or are a lottery pick, you play (to be fair, that may come from the front office). But all last year we watched him stick people into positions that didn't work. When the injuries hit, how long did it take him to figure out that even a bench level 4 like Wade was a better option that the junk lineups he was throwing together? And then, lo and behold, with some meaningful minutes it turned out Wade was a better player than most thought. On JBB's Cavs we would never find out if a VanVleet or a Lou Dort was a steal because they wouldn't be given the chance. I haven't seen anything from Pangos to make me think he's at that level, but I haven't seen much of him period. Who knows? He's certainly not an eye-popping athlete, but there has to be some quality to his game for him to have been that successful in Europe. I'd rather find out now, than run Rubio into the ground in the first month.
 
Dr No said:
on that level you are right, it is cut and dried - if you have a big contract or are a lottery pick, you play (to be fair, that may come from the front office). But all last year we watched him stick people into positions that didn't work. When the injuries hit, how long did it take him to figure out that even a bench level 4 like Wade was a better option that the junk lineups he was throwing together? And then, lo and behold, with some meaningful minutes it turned out Wade was a better player than most thought. On JBB's Cavs we would never find out if a VanVleet or a Lou Dort was a steal because they wouldn't be given the chance. I haven't seen anything from Pangos to make me think he's at that level, but I haven't seen much of him period. Who knows? He's certainly not an eye-popping athlete, but there has to be some quality to his game for him to have been that successful in Europe. I'd rather find out now, than run Rubio into the ground in the first month.
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I'll tell you what it is.

Everyone is smaller, less athletic, weaker and slower in Europe.

The NBA is a league of ridiculous physical freaks. If you're a small guy and a meh athlete, you have to compensate by having one or two ELITE skills to make it in this league. Pangos has none.

He's quick for Europe, good shooter for Europe, able floor general for Europe. But in the NBA, he doesn't have time to aim on the perimeter, he can't reach the open passing lanes in time, and calling him a defensive liability is a very polite way of putting it.

There's a reason the NBA is the most exclusive club in the world. These guys get paid tens of millions of dollars because they're too strong, too big and too good for dudes like Pangos.
 
Heat Check said:
I'll tell you what it is.

Everyone is smaller, less athletic, weaker and slower in Europe.

The NBA is a league of ridiculous physical freaks. If you're a small guy and a meh athlete, you have to compensate by having one or two ELITE skills to make it in this league. Pangos has none.

He's quick for Europe, good shooter for Europe, able floor general for Europe. But in the NBA, he doesn't have time to aim on the perimeter, he can't reach the open passing lanes in time, and calling him a defensive liability is a very polite way of putting it.

There's a reason the NBA is the most exclusive club in the world. These guys get paid tens of millions of dollars because they're too strong, too big and too good for dudes like Pangos.
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I think this assessment of Pangos is probably correct (and the assessment of the NBA in general is certainly correct) - all I'm saying is - let's find out and not run our 31 year old, often injured, backup point guard into the ground. If he's so inadequate physically so as to be absolutely unplayable, why did we sign him?
 
pr26 said:
I’m a Darius fan because I’m a Cavs fan…and I’m having fun rooting for my team? *shrugs*

It’s getting weirder by the day my guy.
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It is simple if a player has not actually established themselves as worth calling a core player imo you should not deem him to be one even if the org is pumping him up as said player and the feeling is he will be one because they hope he will smh
I am a Cavs fan but in no way am I going to support unproven coaches and gm's or unproven players as untouchables or worse give them the "good job speech" when it is the last thing they need. Luckily we have Sexton for now at least he keeps working his ass off regardless of lack of respect from this front office.
 
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