2021-2022 Cavaliers General Discussion: Trade Deadline Edition

[CavsKermit]

Guys putting up Sexton numbers regularly get max contracts. The only 2 guys scoring better than him in his draft class got super max contracts. Don't overthink it.

Porter Jr got a max and scores less than Sexton per poss.

In my opinion he is upping his frequency of 3s away from becoming unguardable.

I still think he is immature in how he sees the game, but he wants to see the game. His assist rate is in line with other scoring guards.

Look at Beal in his 3rd year vs Sexton and you will see a worse player that has a worse assist rate and who only is better in terms of rebounds.

Sexton isn't done yet. Rumors that he has hit his ceiling are really premature. I do think the team benefited from developing without him for a little while, but they integrating him will make the team stronger.

And just how are the Fox and MPJ contracts working out for the Kings and Nuggets? If your comps are bad contracts that result in guys being either untradeable or maybe in the case of Fox, given away for cap space, that should tell you something. Jabari Parker signed a deal like the one you're advocating for with the Bulls and was on a bad contract before the ink dried. Guys who score on heavy usage, and do nothing other than score on heavy usage, are not viewed around the NBA as positive assets when they're attached to big contracts. CJ McCollum is a very, very good offensive player who the Blazers are having a difficult time getting value for on the trade market.

 

[Cavatt]

And just how are the Fox and MPJ contracts working out for the Kings and Nuggets? If your comps are bad contracts that result in guys being either untradeable or maybe in the case of Fox, given away for cap space, that should tell you something. Jabari Parker signed a deal like the one you're advocating for with the Bulls and was on a bad contract before the ink dried. Guys who score on heavy usage, and do nothing other than score on heavy usage, are not viewed around the NBA as positive assets when they're attached to big contracts. CJ McCollum is a very, very good offensive player who the Blazers are having a difficult time getting value for on the trade market.

Well I am talking about a contract that is more than 10M less than those lol. I am saying Sexton on 18 is tradeable. If Fox was on an 18M contract he would be on another team right now.

 

[CavsKermit]

Well I am talking about a contract that is more than 10M less than those lol. I am saying Sexton on 18 is tradeable. If Fox was on an 18M contract he would be on another team right now.

Maybe. But the fundamental problem is that he's ball dominant, likes to drive too much, and doesn't play defense. The Sixers looked at that, asked themselves why it made sense to pair him with Embiid, and then concluded it did not. They shopped his value around the league in order to bring in a third team who could give them someone who would fit with Embiid better, and found Fox's value wanting around the NBA.

 

[Wham with the Right Hand]

A Rubio salary isn't too bad. Rubio's last contract started off about 14 mill per year and I think Sexton would laugh that off.

This situation reminds me of what happened to Ben Gordon in Chicago. He started at SG with Rose. Once Rose emerged, they wanted Gordon to start coming off the bench so they could pair Rose with a defender in Butler that allowed Rose to do his thing offensively. Chicago offered him sixth man money, he declined, and signed with Detroit.

If the Cavs propose that plan to Sexton - backing up Okoro in a microwave off the bench role I think he'll decline and go to a team where he can start and continue his personal quest to develop himself into an NBA All-Star.

Sexton will be 23 at the start of next season and started every game he played his first four years except for 10 games as a rookie. His third year at age 21-22 he averaged 24.3 points. Do you think he'll agree to sign an extension based on him being a backup?

 

[Wham with the Right Hand]

15 FGA is what he averaged this year as a starter...His ability to score won't go away because he is getting 4-5 fewer attempts.

I really don't understand trading him for peanuts. This is an opportunity to lock up a good player on a value contract at a young age on a team that needs penetration, drive and kick, transition scoring off defensive play, ball-handling and scoring in general. All things Sexton can provide

Sexton may actually score nearly as many points taking fewer shots in an off-the-ball role because he won't have to work as hard. All that dribbling and trying to beat his man off the dribble wears a guy out. Sexton is in fantastic shape, of course, but I think he would be even more explosive and have a higher shooting percentage by taking passes coming off screens and back door cutting.

Let Garland do the dribbling. Sexton could still get 20-22 per game on 15 shots. He'll still score on fast breaks and on bail-out shots with the clock expiring.

 

[Eli's Nipples]

LMAO @ thinking Sexton's value is 14 mill a year. Anyone believing that is not worth the debate.

The need by a segment of this fanbase to apply their opinionated value to players just to justify criticizing them is an exhausting read. Y'all love doing that here.

If someone believes Sexton's value is 14 mill a year, honestly speaking, how could you ever convince him/her that they're wrong? Sexton could average 30 ppg and they still would bury their head in a conflated twist of data points to prevent from backing down.

My issue with people like this is they spend endless time & energy arguing certain points but when they're proven incorrect, they just move on to another issue to be master contrarian. It's no different than the Koby Altman criticism prior to this year. Capping Sexton's value to 14 mill a year when he's just 23 years old is laughable.

 

[ice cream man]

My only concern with Collin is will he be able to regain all of his athleticism coming off of that injury? If he’s not at peak athleticism, his effectiveness on the court will go way down. If the Cavs feel he can get back to where he was to start this season in a reasonable amount of time, no question they should sign him to a 3 year deal. Or more if they’re that confident and if Collin would agree.

 

[buzzdog]

My only concern with Collin is will he be able to regain all of his athleticism coming off of that injury? If he’s not at peak athleticism, his effectiveness on the court will go way down. If the Cavs feel he can get back to where he was to start this season in a reasonable amount of time, no question they should sign him to a 3 year deal. Or more if they’re that confident and if Collin would agree.

He's young, and they took the most conservative treatment option possible. He'll be as good as new.

 

[Peacedog]

I don't know why everyone insists he can't be a starter. If he averages 30 mpg and Darius is at 32 mpg, that's ~14 mpg they have to play together. Seems it would make most sense to line those up at the start of the 1st and 3rd quarters, when they have 3 7 footers on the floor with them.

Sexton is a better player than Okoro, so he should be called the starter anyway.

 

[foucault87]

Since the Sexton/Monta comp comes up every now and then...Monta Ellis was turned into a DPOY/borderline allstar level center. And imo Sexton has already shown he is a better player than Monta was. Don't underestimate the value of having an elite scoring option who can carry your offense through dry spells and is willing to play back when his other teammates are on fire (saw this a bunch last year like the Okoro and Garland blowups near the end of the season).

Sexton's value is probably around 18-24m per year (projecting how you see his development). Clarkson is a bad comp as Sexton has shown more passing chops than Clarkson who stopped passing after his rookie year. He has shown more on D than the other firecracker 6th man types (Crawford, Lou Will). 6th man may be his best role on this team, but having a player of his caliber to anchor your bench is an absolute luxury and we would be foolish to not take advandatge of it.

Last comment on CJ McCollum...I want absolutely nothing to do with his contract. It is just as bad as what Love signed in 18, only on a player who is more likely to drop out of playability with too many injuries. Sexton is very close to, if not better than, 2017-18 CJ already.

 

[Jscc]

I don't know why everyone insists he can't be a starter. If he averages 30 mpg and Darius is at 32 mpg, that's ~14 mpg they have to play together. Seems it would make most sense to line those up at the start of the 1st and 3rd quarters, when they have 3 7 footers on the floor with them.

Sexton is a better player than Okoro, so he should be called the starter anyway.

Starting 6'1 Sexton at SG so he matches up against the likes of Zach Lavine, Jaylen Brown, James Harden, or Khris Middleton (all teams we are expected to contend with) as they iso, post-up, and navigate through screens is something you do if you want to lose. You can't hide him on Lauri's man unless you want the same result and you can't hide him on Garland's man because then you have Garland switched onto one of the above SG's. You can start either DG or Sexton, not both. Starting both is too easy for competing teams to exploit.

 

[Peacedog]

Starting 6'1 Sexton at SG so he matches up against the likes of Zach Lavine, Jaylen Brown, James Harden, or Khris Middleton (all teams we are expected to contend with) as they iso, post-up, and navigate through screens is something you do if you want to lose. You can't hide him on Lauri's man unless you want the same result and you can't hide him on Garland's man because then you have Garland switched onto one of the above SG's. You can start either DG or Sexton, not both. Starting both is too easy for competing teams to exploit.

Rubbish.

 

[inliner311]

Starting 6'1 Sexton at SG so he matches up against the likes of Zach Lavine, Jaylen Brown, James Harden, or Khris Middleton (all teams we are expected to contend with) as they iso, post-up, and navigate through screens is something you do if you want to lose. You can't hide him on Lauri's man unless you want the same result and you can't hide him on Garland's man because then you have Garland switched onto one of the above SG's. You can start either DG or Sexton, not both. Starting both is too easy for competing teams to exploit.

It's why you sub him or Garland out quickly if they aren't able to match up then bring back both of them together for a more appropriate match up for their shared minutes.

Different lineups and being able to deploy them at different times can throw off teams. It makes them adjust to us vs us adjusting to them.

 

[Jscc]

It's why you sub him or Garland out quickly if they aren't able to match up then bring back both of them together for a more appropriate match up for their shared minutes.

Different lineups and being able to deploy them at different times can throw off teams. It makes them adjust to us vs us adjusting to them.

DG is the team's PG. You don't sub your PG out quickly.

 

[inliner311]

DG is the team's PG. You don't sub your PG out quickly.

If we have more than two lineups, there could be times where it might makes sense to put a certain lineup with just Sexton in. Building out lineups and being flexible with when to deploy them will help to level up this team. Being less predictable can put pressure on opposing teams defenses to have to adjust their rotations and put them out of their comfort zone.