2021-2022 Cavaliers General Discussion: Trade Deadline Edition

[sailfish]

We've been choking on those cupcakes lately, almost losing to New York and OKC. But after a couple of games to adjust to Marky being out I'm hopeful they will get back to the level they were playing before he was hurt, or very close to it.

I wouldn't exactly consider NY a cupcake, at least in comparison to the other games we have coming up against Detroit, New Orleans, Houston, Indiana, & San Antonio. Bigger picture, I feel like the bar has already been raised so much that people aren't happy with single digit victories anymore, even if we are undermanned. People want dominant, blowout wins, which I get, but let's take what we can get.

 

[CavsKermit]

Says who ?

Yea, you're kinda off the reservation here CK....inconsistencies, etc. I may have missed it - is there a vendetta against Sexton? Maybe some other posters can catch me up....

Spacing is not some MENSA type concept that you need a decoder ring to figure out. Sexton and Mobley need the same space on the court to operate and you've already got Allen overloading the paint offensively. Mobley is going to be a superstar in the NBA so if there's a tension there, it shouldn't be difficult to decide which one is getting sent to the bench.. Garland also needs to be able to drive to collapse the defense as well.

 

[CavsKermit]

I’m aware of who CK is off another message board. Good dude. Might be taking the Sexton slights a bit further than necessary but his point about Sexton being paid too much to be a 6th man has some validity. Although paying KLove his 30 million hasn’t hamstrung us as bad as I was afraid it would, so I guess we could do worse. Even still, every player, especially Sexton has value depending on contract size and length. Get him around $15 million for 3-4 years? I’m all over that.

We currently have three guys starting on rookie contracts. When that comes to end, having a Love type contract on the books will hurt us in a lot of ways.

 

[ChicagoCavFan]

Spacing is not some MENSA type concept that you need a decoder ring to figure out. Sexton and Mobley need the same space on the court to operate and you've already got Allen overloading the paint offensively. Mobley is going to be a superstar in the NBA so if there's a tension there, it shouldn't be difficult to decide which one is getting sent to the bench.. Garland also needs to be able to drive to collapse the defense as well.

So you know this to be a problem how?

 

[cavsfever]

Watching the game last night, was the first time I finally thought "this probably isn't sustainable".

Now, I don't know what move is out there......but we desperately need an NBA body that can fill minutes at the guard spot.

DG looks fucking exhausted out there.......and seeing Mobley play high 30's in 3 of 4 makes me a little uneasy.

Obviously we need to try to win games but especially Mobley needs to be managed with care. First NBA season, still growing in to his frame, getting beat to shit every night.

Hoping we can get to the ASG healthy and then supplement the rotation with a guy or two who can soak up minutes.

I’m worried we are going to hurt Garland or Mobley with the way things are going - we are putting huge demands on them, especially Garland, because the defense can just lock in on him and he still has to carry the offense

 

[cliffdawg]

First off, 2025? That's THREE years from now. So he might be on a moveable contract three or four years in? Also, I've heard this story when the Cavs overpaid TT and JR. Turns out that the cap going up doesn't magically transform bad deals into good ones.

That was a different story back then, that was a championship team and LeBron James was there agent and they were pressured into those contracts , they knew they were not movable contracts……

 

[RonG]

There's not a single other sixth man in the NBA who makes $18M per. Not one. The Jazz are struggling to move Clarkson for value, who won sixth man of the year last season, and he makes $13m per for two more seasons after this. Again, your asserting was that Sexton will be easy to trade at $18M per. He will not be easy to trade.

Why are you pigeon holing Sexton as a 6th man, just because he fits our roster best in that slot?

Secondly show me where Clarkson has ever averaged over 19 points a season let alone 24 on good or bad team. Also, I looked, I haven't seen anywhere that the Jazz are actually trying to get off of Clarksons contract. If I'm wrong point me in the correct direction.

Bring some better comps to Sexton if you want to actually continue a healthy debate.

 

[CavsKermit]

Just look at broken down 33 year old Eric Gordon. The Rockets are demanding a FRP for him.

He's finally, finally tradable with only one more season on his contract and while he's shooting a career best from 3 point range. But the Rockets shopped him as much as the Cavs shopped Love before this season and there's a reason both are still with the teams that gave them those contracts. In terms of the asking price, let's see what the Rockets actually get for him because I promise you they don't want him still on the books after the deadline.

 

[CavsKermit]

Why are you pigeon holing Sexton as a 6th man, just because he fits our roster best in that slot?

Secondly show me where Clarkson has ever averaged over 19 points a season let alone 24 on good or bad team. Also, I looked, I haven't seen anywhere that the Jazz are actually trying to get off of Clarksons contract. If I'm wrong point me in the correct direction.

Bring some better comps to Sexton if you want to actually continue a healthy debate.

Are we suppose to pay him based on his best use on some other team's roster? And if you do that, and bring him off the bench here, how do you think another team is going to evaluate his trade value if it comes time to trade him?

If there's a team that evaluates Sexton as a starter who is worthy of a starter's money, than that team would make him such an offer this summer. The very fact that CAA is still talking to the Cavs about an extension strongly suggests there is not.

 

[CavsKermit]

So you know this to be a problem how?

Because I have eyes and three year sample size to work from. Sexton likes to use his elite speed to beat the defender to his spots. So much so that 75% of his 19FGAs from last season were inside the 3 point line. When we've played even decent defensive teams in the past, who overloaded the paint, Sexton has struggled. Outside of two games against the Nets when Kyrie was the primary defender, he's struggled in the final minutes of the few games that were actually close when he was the guy. He's a very predictable player and is easily baited into driving into an overloaded paint.

 

[Medina smoke]

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[CavsKermit]

Why are you pigeon holing Sexton as a 6th man, just because he fits our roster best in that slot?

Secondly show me where Clarkson has ever averaged over 19 points a season let alone 24 on good or bad team. Also, I looked, I haven't seen anywhere that the Jazz are actually trying to get off of Clarksons contract. If I'm wrong point me in the correct direction.

Bring some better comps to Sexton if you want to actually continue a healthy debate

Sexton's usage was insanely high during the three seasons when the Cavs were winning 20 games a year. You think Clarkson couldn't average 19 ppg on 19FGA? There's a reason good teams don't give those guys that many shots.

 

[Jscc]

#2 go look at the sg's out there from 23 to 28 and see what they make with simular stats as Sexton.

#3 look at the trades over the last 5 seasons of SG's. I think you are juat shooting from the hip with your opinion.

Can't pay him starter money if he's going to come off the bench, so you'd have to compare salaries with sixth men rather than starting SG.

 

[Dr No]

We've been choking on those cupcakes lately, almost losing to New York and OKC. But after a couple of games to adjust to Marky being out I'm hopeful they will get back to the level they were playing before he was hurt, or very close to it.

The key is health. Wade covered for Markk fine last night (we will see if this continues). But we had no one to fill Allen’s spot. With Allen, we win last night pretty easily. We are just so thin right now. We can’t lose Allen, Love, Garland, or at this point, even Wade for any length of time and be OK. With Sexton, Rubio, and Markk down, we are out of bench options if another key piece goes down.

 

[stick]

Because I have eyes and three year sample size to work from. Sexton likes to use his elite speed to beat the defender to his spots. So much so that 75% of his 19FGAs from last season were inside the 3 point line. When we've played even decent defensive teams in the past, who overloaded the paint, Sexton has struggled. Outside of two games against the Nets when Kyrie was the primary defender, he's struggled in the final minutes of the few games that were actually close when he was the guy. He's a very predictable player and is easily baited into driving into an overloaded paint.

Last year:
In the last two minutes of a 5 point or less game,
Collin had a 66.7 EFG%, a 74.3 TS%, a 24.7 assist ratio percentage.

The team had a 111.7 offensive rating, 103.0 defensive rating in these minutes. This is a sample size of 18 games (Cavs were 9-9 in them)