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2021 Around MLB: Return of the Dead Ball Era
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I would.
Rocchio looks promising, but he's not a top-tier prospect by any means, and we have a plethora of talent at his position(s) at more advanced levels.
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Rocchio is ranked as the fourth top prospect in the organization by Fangraphs and eighth overall by Baseball America. Agree completely on the plethora of talent at that position at more advanced levels, but he's still highly regarded and it would be selling low on him (in my opinion) to flip him for a 35 year old first baseman. Los will always be one of my all-time favorite Indians, but I think this team would be better off continuing to give Bauers an opportunity and then moving Naylor there or recalling Nolan Jones to play 1B if Bauers gets the boot.
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8 in the organization really isn't that highly touted, and honestly seems about the right value to snag a productive stop-gap 1B on a cheaper contract.
If we are gonna trade any of our upper prospects...and I can't us not doing that...it has to be for someone who is an immediate upgrade now...has some control...and won't cost us any more than we are paying Hernandez or Eddie.
Los fits the bill to some extent, but he IS older and he plays for a division rival. GMs are so risk averse that the very last thing they want to do is help a division rival for the next five or six years.
Los fits the bill to some extent, but he IS older and he plays for a division rival. GMs are so risk averse that the very last thing they want to do is help a division rival for the next five or six years.
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Not that it's an exact science, but Baseball Trade Values, which gave nearly an equal amount to both sides on the Clevinger trade at the time, has Rocchio at a median value of 19.3 and Los at a median value of 1.4. Now, one player the Indians should be calling about and offering prospects like Rocchio for in my opinion is Cedric Mullins.
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Agree and Santana would be around for 2022 as well.
Rocchio is also a rule 5 guy, so we might lose him for nothing if not rostered.. As of now, rostering him wouldn't be a good idea - but reevaluating his "value" in a month may completely change my mind.
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Obviously, he's a promising player, but I don't believe Baseball Trade Values is a reliable source for player values. Also, I'd be a little surprised if the organization actually values Rocchio in its top 10.
I don't think we'd be in any danger of losing him in the Rule 5 next year.
The number of teams that would be willing to roster a guy on their 26-man roster for an entire season after he has a .700 OPS in A+ has to be limited, and possibly zero.
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As of now there is little chance, but lets see how he looks a month from now..
My overall point here in a nutshell. He is one of our most tradable highly touted prospects. I am following him closely this season. I get Dorssys Paulino vibes from him offensively speaking (Rocchio is a MUCH better defender) and would look to sell high on him.
tho it's conventional to talk prospect ratings, it doesnt necessarily relate to their projection as an ML ball player
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once heard Dallas Cowboys' Gil Brandt iconic draft guru back in the day talk about prospects - he commented that "telling me he's the best cornerback in the draft doesnt tell me one whit whether or not he can play NFL Football"
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once heard Dallas Cowboys' Gil Brandt iconic draft guru back in the day talk about prospects - he commented that "telling me he's the best cornerback in the draft doesnt tell me one whit whether or not he can play NFL Football"
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I don't get the Dorsyss comp. Rocchio was never heralded as a hitter, and Paulino just got hype after a good August in the AZL.
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Never heralded as a hitter? What?? It was his offensive production as a 17 year old (same as Paulino) that put him on the map.
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I don't agree with that at all. His offensive production was fine, but I've never seen him described as an advanced hitter.