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2021 College Football Season/Playoff Thread

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Games of great import

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#6 TSUN @ #8 Sparty, B1G NOON SATURDAY, Fox:
This game should be fascinating. The teams are undefeated, but Michigan has just 2 wins against teams over .500 (Wisky at 4-3 and Northern Illinois), and that's 2 more than Sparty. Both barely beat Nebraska, MSU beat Rutgers by more than UM, but UM beat NW by more.

Seems like a very traditional Harbaugh team. Good defense, good running game, good enough throwing the ball. We've seen that type of team beat up on bad-average-decent teams, then struggle against upper tier teams. MSU is similar, and is lead by Wake Forest transfer and Heisman candidate Kenneth Walker *which is a really weird sentence to write).

While both teams have been a benefactor of weak schedules, I think MSU fits that category moreso. And given where MSU was during the end of the Dantonio era, UM probably has a better roster. Even in East Lansing, this seems like a game UM can grind away for a win. Might be close for most the game and UM pulls comfortably ahead late.

#10 Ole Miss @ #18 Auburn, 3:30, CBS: Besides Alabama, the only other SEC West team who controls their own destiny is Auburn. At 2 losses, Auburn probably still makes the CFP if they win out. Ole Miss needs another Bama loss to make the SEC Title game. Auburn, in typical fashion, has had a weird year. Only beat LSU by 5 and Georgia State by 10, but beat Arkansas by 15 2 weeks ago. Ole Miss has a good shot to win out if they can get past this game, but still need Bama to lose again.

Other Games

#2 Cincinnati @ Tulane, noon, ESPN2:
Cincy's resume took a but of hit, beating 1 win Navy by 7, and seeing Indiana get depants by OSU. ND keeps winning, which is essential, but won't matter if Cincy struggles with bad AAU teams. Tulane opened the year with a 5 point loss to Oklahoma, in which theeir final drive came up just short of a first down in OU territory. They followed that up with a blowout of an FCS school.....and then a 5 game losing streak by an average of 23 points. They did play Ole Miss, SMU and Houston in that stretch (who have combined for 2 losses), but still, not good. If Cincy struggles again, it'll really start to to wear on their resume.

#9 Iowa @ Wisconsin, noon, ESPN: Another game of B1G teams where the wrong team is probably going to win. How does Wisconsin shit the bed early in the year, then wreck the rest of the B1G West? Wisconsin is favored. I question how much they will be able to move the ball on an Iowa team coming off a bye. This game will go a long way in deciding the B1G West. Both teams just have 1 team currently above .500 on the rest of the schedule (Minnesota for both). Wisconsin is essentially eliminated with a loss, and Iowa would need a lot of help if they lose. Knowing the B1G West, I am sure whichever results hurts OSU more will occur because fuck the B1G West.

Texas @ #16 Baylor, noon, ABC: Both teams very much alive in the B12. Baylor still plays Oklahoma, but might be able to absorb a loss there if they can win this one. Texas in a run of 4 straight ranked opponents, and is so far 0-2, but blew late leads in both. Baylor is coming off a bye, and would be in great position with a win.

Texas Tech @ #4 Oklahoma, 3:30, ABC: Oklahoma needed 2 wild 4th down conversions to beat Kansas (credit to Caleb Williams, who did make 2 insane plays an crucial times). At football. They've beaten Tulane, Nebraska, KSU, WVU, Texas and Kansas by an average of 7, with 12 being the biggest spread. They scream "fraudulent", yet will certainly make the CFP if they remain unbeaten. They do still have Baylor, Okie St and the B12 title game, so it seems reasonable to think they eventually lose one of these game....maybe even this one.

TTech has had an interesting year. They beat a good Houston team by 17. They almost blew a 17 point lead vs WVU and did blow a 14 point lead vs KState. They gave up 52 to TCU and 70 to Texas. But they did blow out Kansas, which is more than OU can say.

#1 Georgia vs Florida, 3:30, CBS: It's a rivalry game and Florida always has talent. That said, Florida's season has kinda derailed since almost beating Bama. Feels like Dan Mullen is very much on the hot seat (although I don't know if they want to hire a coach competing against LSU and USC, at minimum). This is probably Georgia's toughest game left before the SEC championship game, so I don't foresee a let down.

#19 SMU @ Houston, 7:00, ESPN2: Major implications in the AAU. SMU is undefeated and beat TCU. Houston has won 6 in a row after losing to TTech in the opener. The AAU is like the Big 12, with no divisions, and the 2 best conference records make the title game. SMU travels to Cincy in a month, but Houston doesn't play Cincy. A Houston win means they'd only have to beat 2 of S Florida, Temple and Memphis to make the title game. SMU winning likely locks Houston out of the title game. Going by YPG, SMU is 13th in country in offense and 150th in defense, while Houston is 121st on O, but 17th on D. Should be a fun one.

#20 Penn State vs #5 OSU, 7:30, ABC: In another timeline, Sean Clifford isn't injured, and this is #2 PSU after they beat Iowa and Illinois. Instead, PSU's backup was awful vs Iowa, and one legged Sean Clifford lead PSU to 18 points in 4 quarters plus 9 overtimes vs.....Illinois. PSU has scored 30+ twice this year, vs Ball State and Villanova. If Coombs/Schiano were still DC, I'd be worried we'd play man the whole game and let Jahan Dotson torch us. However, with the defense somewhat fixed, I can't imagine OSU trying that now. PSU has a solid secondary and a not terrible pass rush, but without a functional QB, I don't see how they can keep up with OSU.
 
@col63onel assuming the 4th spot is between an undefeated UC and an undefeated OU who would you give the spot to as of today. (I.e. ignoring the future slate of games).
 
@col63onel assuming the 4th spot is between an undefeated UC and an undefeated OU who would you give the spot to as of today. (I.e. ignoring the future slate of games).
An undefeated power 5 school is not getting left out of the CFP this year. Only way it would ever happen is if somehow all 5 (or 6 with ND) had an undefeated team.

I think OSU is way better than OU right now. But if the last spot was between 12-1 OSUI and 13-0 OU, OU is getting in. Now, there is precedent of a 12-1 team being seeded ahead of an undefeated team, like with FSU in 2014. But 13-0 OU is getting in.
 
Never forget 2 loss Georgia being ahead of 1 loss OSU in 2018.

Of course, that's ESPN protecting their investment in the SEC, though.
 
Texas Tech fired their coach.

Oklahoma's inexplicable luck continues.
 
Why are we talking about OU being undefeated.
One of their last 3 games will be a loss.
Schedule: TTU, BAY, ISU, OKST
 
With PSU crapping themselves, I feel like OSU fans should be rooting for a narrow MSU win this weekend.

Most models peg Michigan's expected win / loss as a full game higher than MSU.

Narrow Sparty win would keep UM in the top 10, who I think has a better team profile......and is more likely to play OSU at something like 10-1.

MSU doesn't play PSU until after OSU......so OSU could see something like #5 10-0 MSU in week 11 and then #5 / #6 ish 10-1 UM in week 12.

Beat both and it is victories over two 10 win teams.

I think MSU is both a prime candidate for a huge drop, relative to their model ranks.......so the Buckeyes should hope for their resume to be inflated at this point.
 
With PSU crapping themselves, I feel like OSU fans should be rooting for a narrow MSU win this weekend.

Most models peg Michigan's expected win / loss as a full game higher than MSU.

Narrow Sparty win would keep UM in the top 10, who I think has a better team profile......and is more likely to play OSU at something like 10-1.

MSU doesn't play PSU until after OSU......so OSU could see something like #5 10-0 MSU in week 11 and then #5 / #6 ish 10-1 UM in week 12.

Beat both and it is victories over two 10 win teams.

I think MSU is both a prime candidate for a huge drop, relative to their model ranks.......so the Buckeyes should hope for their resume to be inflated at this point.

Plus watching Michigan eat it against Li'l Brudder is always funny.
 
With PSU crapping themselves, I feel like OSU fans should be rooting for a narrow MSU win this weekend.

Most models peg Michigan's expected win / loss as a full game higher than MSU.

Narrow Sparty win would keep UM in the top 10, who I think has a better team profile......and is more likely to play OSU at something like 10-1.

MSU doesn't play PSU until after OSU......so OSU could see something like #5 10-0 MSU in week 11 and then #5 / #6 ish 10-1 UM in week 12.

Beat both and it is victories over two 10 win teams.

I think MSU is both a prime candidate for a huge drop, relative to their model ranks.......so the Buckeyes should hope for their resume to be inflated at this point.
And if Michigan wins it could be like #10 MSU and then #3 Michigan, which is kinda the same.
 
And if Michigan wins it could be like #10 MSU and then #3 Michigan, which is kinda the same.

I'm more thinking end of year, bigger picture.

If MSU loses to UM, they likely go on to lose to OSU and PSU as well in most scenarios.

Is a 9-3 MSU worth anything on OSU's resume? Would that team even be ranked if they soundly lost to UM, OSU and PSU?

If they are 10-2 with a win over Michigan, their floor would seem to be a top 15 team......which would be a strong resume boost for OSU.

If Michigan is at 10-2 as well, their floor would seem to be a top 15 team......which would be a strong resume boost for OSU.

I was more ball parking what scenario likely nets OSU the best SOS / quality win bump in total.
 
I'm more thinking end of year, bigger picture.

If MSU loses to UM, they likely go on to lose to OSU and PSU as well in most scenarios.

Is a 9-3 MSU worth anything on OSU's resume? Would that team even be ranked if they soundly lost to UM, OSU and PSU?

If they are 10-2 with a win over Michigan, their floor would seem to be a top 15 team......which would be a strong resume boost for OSU.

If Michigan is at 10-2 as well, their floor would seem to be a top 15 team......which would be a strong resume boost for OSU.

I was more ball parking what scenario likely nets OSU the best SOS / quality win bump in total.
First of all, I don’t know beating or losing to Michigan affects how MSU plays vs PSU. If Clifford isn’t back to a semblance of himself, I don’t know if PSU beats anybody good.

I don’t know if it matters how the good teams do vs each other. PSU/MSU/UM were all gonna inflict a total of 3 losses on each other. If all 3 are between 9-11 wins, I don’t see much of a difference.

What makes more of a difference is having those teams lose to a bad team like Illinois. Now I want both UM and MSU to beat PSU, I think.
 
First of all, I don’t know beating or losing to Michigan affects how MSU plays vs PSU. If Clifford isn’t back to a semblance of himself, I don’t know if PSU beats anybody good.

I don’t know if it matters how the good teams do vs each other. PSU/MSU/UM were all gonna inflict a total of 3 losses on each other. If all 3 are between 9-11 wins, I don’t see much of a difference.

What makes more of a difference is having those teams lose to a bad team like Illinois. Now I want both UM and MSU to beat PSU, I think.

Yes, I think I didn't word that great. My comment wasn't that the UM game would affect how they play against PSU......it was that I would think a good number of simulation scenarios involve MSU losing to both PSU and OSU and UM being more of a swing game for 10 wins.

I would agree with your sentiment that the best outcome for OSU is PSU losing to both UM and MSU at this point. PSU beating them would potentially just create this mush of nothing resume at the end of the year.

Will definitely be a fascinating finish......5 of the top 10 teams: Georgia, MSU, OSU, UM and Ole Miss all have brutal finishing schedules relative to SOS.
 
Yeesh, TTUN has had a nice year, but I don't see how they can be #2 right now.

Their best win is... at 4-3 Wisconsin? Only beat Rutgers by 7 at home. 3-5 Nebraska put the fear of God into them in their game. They looked good at home against *checks notes* 3-4 Northwestern last week I guess.

They've had a nice year so far and are one of the few remaining undefeated teams, but they have impressed me exactly zero times this season.
 

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