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2021 Draft Lottery

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Draft Mobley. Trade Sexton for a Herro based package.
Please no. Herro was hot for two months in the bubble and suddenly hes the next coming of Ray Allen. Im not sure he is better than Grayson Allen. Also does not give a shit about basketball and is all about the instalife. Why would I trade a tone setter who thinks of nothing but bball for that? And Herro is by far the worse player. Absolutely not. Only player I want on that roster is Bam
 
Wouldn't "do it all" for an NBA player include shooting and scoring?
Sure. Barnes averaged more points per game (over 40 mins.) as a freshman at FSU (16.7 vs 16.4) than Patrick Williams did and he went 4th overall to Chicago in the 2020 draft. Additionally, their true shooting percentages were very close (.548 vs .553) with Williams holding a slight edge. The difference is Barnes is a much better defender, ball handler, passer, & leader.

Does this look like a guy whose shot is broken?
 
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Mobley would be great.
With that said I don't see them trading for Herro. FWIW this org is all about culture which is why they jettisoned KPJ. From everything I've heard about Herro he likely would not be thrilled with a trade to Cleveland. The Cavs have already proven they won't even draft a kid (SGA) that doesn't want to be here.
It's a risk, but at some point you have to be willing to take risks. High character guys who are hard workers and good shooters from the outside aren't going to be made available. SGA is a good example as to why you can't be too rigid in applying a wants to be here standard with a team located in Cleveland. If we had drafted him despite his preference, we're not having any conversation about offering him a max extension right now. He's a no-brainer max guy.
 
Sure. Barnes averaged more points per game as a freshman at FSU (16.7 vs 16.4) than Patrick Williams did and he went 4th overall to Chicago in the 2020 draft. Additionally, their true shooting percentages were very close (.548 vs .553) with Williams holding a slight edge. The difference is Barnes is a much better defender, ball handler, passer, & leader.

Does this look like a guy whose shot is broken?

He averaged 10.3.

 
High character guys who are hard workers and good shooters from the outside aren't going to be made available.

Then why would you trade the player that is exactly that fir someone who isn't???

SGA has to be one of the most overrated players on the planet.
 
The thought process is that you'd be replacing a one-dimensional high usage player with a more dynamic player who might eventually get you the same number of points.

I get that but if Koby trades down, I would assume that he has a different vision on how to build the team out. If we can get two high level prospects that helps fill in the talent gaps even further on this team, it may result in a higher ceiling for the team.

Nothing is for sure in the draft. Different organization see flaws differently and see some flaws as more fixable than others.
 
Have you checked both herro and sexton's stats? Sexton has shot it consistently better from 3 compared to herro. And sexton can create from the dribble, unlike herro.

Hard pass. Next time, do research ok?
Sexton averaged .371 from 3 on 4.4 attempts last year. He also averaged 18.4 FGA which doesn't include the 6.4 FTA or 2.8 turnovers.

Herro averaged 361 from 3 on 5.5 attempts last year. He only averaged 12.9 FGA excluding his 2.2 FTA and 1.9 turnovers.

Sexton doesn't even average 25% of his shots from 3 point range and I saw him protecting his percentage from out there a lot as the season wore on.

Herro is close to taking half his shots from 3 and has a much, much lower usage.
 
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It's a risk, but at some point you have to be willing to take risks. High character guys who are hard workers and good shooters from the outside aren't going to be made available. SGA is a good example as to why you can't be too rigid in applying a wants to be here standard with a team located in Cleveland. If we had drafted him despite his preference, we're not having any conversation about offering him a max extension right now. He's a no-brainer max guy.
I agree passing on SGA was not ideal to put it mildly. Shouldn't be allowing a 19 year old and his camp to dictate terms to you.
With that said Herro is pretty bad. He was shooting the Heat out of some games. Pat Riley and their fans would be doing backflips if the Cavs actually traded Sexton for a Herro led package.
 
The stats I quoted are per 40 minutes. That’s the only true way to compare these guys, especially since Barnes came off the bench for FSU, just as Williams did.
Barnes is light years ahead of Williams as a prospect. Williams was very raw while Barnes has the entire package including ballhandling. A very reasonable comp for Barnes would be Draymond. It just goes to show how much better the depth in this draft is compared to last year when Williams got picked at #4.
Outside of shooting I would take Barnes over Cade in every other category (athleticism, ballhandling, defense). They were co-facilitators on the same team in high school too.

Right now my Cavs draft board would be 1. Mobley 2. Barnes
 
Sure. Barnes averaged more points per game (over 40 mins.) as a freshman at FSU (16.7 vs 16.4) than Patrick Williams did and he went 4th overall to Chicago in the 2020 draft. Additionally, their true shooting percentages were very close (.548 vs .553) with Williams holding a slight edge. The difference is Barnes is a much better defender, ball handler, passer, & leader.

Does this look like a guy whose shot is broken?
He has a couple of things that concern me. None that aren't fixable and other players also display them. My biggest concern is how the ball leaves his hand. He basically shoots from his thumb and first two fingers. This can lead to erratic release when sped up. You'll notice in that video his pinky is contracted that's what made me notice it.
 
He averaged 10.3.


Patrick Williams averaged 9.2 points at FSU.


FSU prioritize the upperclassmen for play. Barnes and Patrick Williams had to conform their game to what FSU needed not the other way around.
 
The stats I quoted are per 40 minutes. That’s the only true way to compare these guys, especially since Barnes came off the bench for FSU, just as Williams did.
I hate this argument. People use it with per 36 in NBA all the time. It ignores the fact that guys are often playing against backups and the question as to why they're not getting more minutes.
 
Sexton averaged .371 from 3 on 4.4 attempts last year. He also averaged 18.4 FGA which doesn't include the 6.4 FTA or 2.8 turnovers.

Herro averaged 361 from 3 on 5.5 attempts last year. He only averaged 12.9 FGA excluding his 2.2 FTA and 1.9 turnovers.

Sexton doesn't even average 25% of his shots from 3 point range and I saw him protecting his percentage from out there a lot as the season wore on.

Herro is close to taking half his shots from 3 and has a much, much lower usage.
So you just need sexton to shoot more from 3 and he will be much better scorer and 3 pt threat than herro right?

Don't try to sell me herro as a one dimensional shooter as a positive against sexton who does things better than herro, 3 pt shooting included.
 

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