2021 Draft Lottery

[daytripper]

Unfortunately you just need to look at how cheaply the Cavs acquired Jarrett Allen to realize that non star players at the end of their rookie contracts have very little value around the league. Most teams would be hestitant to trade much for that type of player esp when they would have to pay $20 mil per season to extend them on a new contract. Attaching Love's bad deal on top of Sexton only worsens the value. That type of package might be zero value tbh.

 

[daddywags]

Well, the other option - just keep Sexton - isn't all that bad, is it? It's not like Love and his $30 million contract who can't help a bit on the floor. I'm pretty sure we can find some way to make him useful.

 

[dark2332]

I dunno about this. To me, a "wing" brings to mind a 6'7, 220 lb. guy who can guard 1-4. And yes, those guys are extremely valuable.

But size-wise, Green looks to be a straight-up shooting guard who would get bullied by most 3's and completely overmatched by 4's. I'm not sure that "position" is more valuable than a 4/5 who also can guard out on the perimeter.

I agree. Let’s forget the offensive side of the ball for a second and simply ask the question which would stand a better chance of guarding a team’s wing scorer.

In all cases, Mobley is the much more versatile defender than Green.

Hell, I would probably bet Mobley would be better at guarding 1’s and 2’s in the league than Green would be right now.

Factor in that he’s 7’0 and that’s just gravy.

 

[daytripper]

Well, the other option - just keep Sexton - isn't all that bad, is it? It's not like Love and his $30 million contract who can't help a bit on the floor. I'm pretty sure we can find some way to make him useful.

Yeah that might end up being the best strategy if they can't find a useful player in trade. New Orleans (Lonzo) and the Hawks (Collins) just let their players hit restricted FA. Maybe they could buy out Love next year too if he's willing to give back money to play on a contender.

 

[inliner311]

Yeah that might end up being the best strategy if they can't find a useful player in trade. New Orleans (Lonzo) and the Hawks (Collins) just let their players hit restricted FA. Maybe they could buy out Love next year too if he's willing to give back money to play on a contender.

Fedor talked about how they wanted to guage Sexton's value in the league because they truly don't know what he is worth. I think that they don't know what to pay him or what he will get offered in RFA.

Some of the problem with RFA is that good unrestricted players snub organizations that cleared cap space then they get desperate and throw a huge offer at RFA to try to steal the guy. That's a possibility with Sexton or Allen.

It's best if you can accurately guage the market for a player and just pay them accordingly with an extension or before the market gets to the RFA offer sheets.

 

[Wham with the Right Hand]

Yeah, I can't see any way a Sexton/Love package would be attractive to anybody, especially if they have to give up a star player.

I can't belive Fedor mentioned Siakam. However, it's believed the Raptors will start a rebuild and Siakam will average $35 million over the next three years and his stats aren't as good as Collin's. If the money is equal would the Raptors rather have a player four years younger than Siakam if they can get a first round pick out of it? Kyle Lowry is nearing the end of the road at 35. He's a UFA.

If the Cavs get Green would they do a Sexton/Love/2022 first round pick (top 8 protected) for Siakam? That would give them a starting lineup of Garland, Green, Okoro, Siakam, and Allen, with Siakam being the oldest at 27. They would also have Hartenstein (if they sign him), Nance, Prince, Windler, and Wade. They would just need a backup point guard.

 

[daytripper]

Siakam is injured and going to miss at least part of the upcoming season. Not sure he's a great fit next to Allen either tbh. The Cavs would definitely need to throw in additional picks/assets to make it happen. I honestly don't see Siakam or Ingram as feasible unless the Cavs throw alot more into the deal. David Griffin is on the hotseat in New Orleans so don't see him dealing his 2nd best player even if he is a clunky fit with Zion.

If they are going to combine Love+Sexton the only type trade that might make sense could be a Tobias Harris type deal with Philly. Harris is owed a ton of money, going to be 29 and has alot of basketball mileage since he got drafted at 18. Harris will be owed $41 mil in the last year of his deal in 23-24. I just think he's a negative asset worse than Love that could keep them from resigning any of their young core moving forward though.

 

[avs2000]

Siakam is injured and going to miss at least part of the upcoming season. Not sure he's a great fit next to Allen either tbh. The Cavs would definitely need to throw in additional picks/assets to make it happen. I honestly don't see Siakam or Ingram as feasible unless the Cavs throw alot more into the deal. David Griffin is on the hotseat in New Orleans so don't see him dealing his 2nd best player even if he is a clunky fit with Zion.

If they are going to combine Love+Sexton the only type trade that might make sense could be a Tobias Harris type deal with Philly. Harris is owed a ton of money, going to be 29 and has alot of basketball mileage since he got drafted at 18. Harris will be owed $41 mil in the last year of his deal in 23-24. I just think he's a negative asset worse than Love that could keep them from resigning any of their young core moving forward though.

I rather keep love and sexton. You clearly mentioned why not Harris

 

[Futuredome]

Sexton can't be traded until the Cavs figure out what they get in the draft.

 

[adam81king]

Sexton can't be traded until the Cavs figure out what they get in the draft.

You spelled "I don't think they should" wrong...

 

[JJ_PR]

We haven't been in position to draft a star since LeBron's departure (although I do think Sexton is a star).

In 2018, we had the 8th pick & Sexton was the second best option after SGA, who didn't want to be here. In the next two drafts, we fell in the lottery to 5th. Garland was clearly the BPA. Last years draft was pretty weak.

I say we stay @ #3 & draft Green. It's a no brainer. I also like Mobley but I view him as a 5. A backcourt rotation of Garland, Green & Sexton would wreak havoc on opposing teams.

 

[Wham with the Right Hand]

According to Fedor a lot of NBA folks view Mobley as more of an Anthony Davis than as a center.

At 6'7" and not much of a rebounder, Larry Nance, Jr is more of a defensive and passing-minded 3 than a 4. Fedor also said some in the Cavs organization view Okoro as a better 2 than a 3.

If we can get Mobley I see a domino effect where Mobley takes over at the 4 (the Cavs plan to reduce Love's minutes), which pushes Nance to the 3 and Okoro into a rotation of Sexton, Garland, and Okoro at guard.

The Cavs did well last year with Dante Exum at the 2 before he was injured. Okoro has a similar game to Exum but with more upside.

Right now I believe both Nance and Okoro are not playing their strongest positions and would benefit from moving to small forward and shooting guard, respectively. Getting Mobley would have a ripple effect that would improve three positions IMO.

Green would be great because the Cavs were 28th in points per possession last year and Green is a scorer. Mobley is more like a bigger Okoro - great defensively but not a guy who can create his own shot at this point. Allen is also not a shot creator so putting Allen, Mobley, and either Nance or Okoro on the front line together would put tremendous pressure on the guards to break down the defense and get open shots for these guys. That's what Garland and Sexton do, but they wouldn't be able to take any possessions off.

Questions arise when considering how the Collin Sexton–Darius Garland tandem would work with three other sub-30.0 percent shooters filling out the lineup. - kingjamesgospel.com

However...

Looking deeper into the Twin Towers fit alongside the team’s guard tandem, what the guards lack in size defensively is made up for by Mobley and Allen. Offensively, Mobley’s pick-and-roll/pick-and-pop ability makes him a dynamic weapon for Darius Garland and would bring another aspect to the offense that would improve the outlook on that end for Cleveland.

Between Green and Mobley there's no wrong answer, but neither is the perfect answer, either. But I think getting an elite wing defender in Mobley while adding size and length, plus being able to put both Nance and Okoro at their best positions would be more helpful then just getting a talented shooting guard. However, it's not like the Cavs will have a choice - it's entirely up to the Rockets.

 

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

According to Fedor a lot of NBA folks view Mobley as more of an Anthony Davis than as a center.

At 6'7" and not much of a rebounder, Larry Nance, Jr is more of a defensive and passing-minded 3 than a 4. Fedor also said some in the Cavs organization view Okoro as a better 2 than a 3.

If we can get Mobley I see a domino effect where Mobley takes over at the 4 (the Cavs plan to reduce Love's minutes), which pushes Nance to the 3 and Okoro into a rotation of Sexton, Garland, and Okoro at guard.

The Cavs did well last year with Dante Exum at the 2 before he was injured. Okoro has a similar game to Exum but with more upside.

Right now I believe both Nance and Okoro are not playing their strongest positions and would benefit from moving to small forward and shooting guard, respectively. Getting Mobley would have a ripple effect that would improve three positions IMO.

Green would be great because the Cavs were 28th in points per possession last year and Green is a scorer. Mobley is more like a bigger Okoro - great defensively but not a guy who can create his own shot at this point. Allen is also not a shot creator so putting Allen, Mobley, and either Nance or Okoro on the front line together would put tremendous pressure on the guards to break down the defense and get open shots for these guys. That's what Garland and Sexton do, but they wouldn't be able to take any possessions off.

Between Green and Mobley there's no wrong answer, but neither is the perfect answer, either. But I think getting an elite wing defender in Mobley while adding size and length, plus being able to put both Nance and Okoro at their best positions would be more helpful then just getting a talented shooting guard. However, it's not like the Cavs will have a choice - it's entirely up to the Rockets.

Thanks.

But I didn't know Anthony Davis was a position

 

[Funkmastabuck]

I think I'm in the minority here, but I still like Suggs just as much or even more than Green and Mobley.

Great vision and passing. Really coordinated athlete. Has received great coaching at Gonzaga. I think when we look back in 5 years, Suggs may be the All Star of the group.

 

[sailfish]

I think I'm in the minority here, but I still like Suggs just as much or even more than Green and Mobley.

Great vision and passing. Really coordinated athlete. Has received great coaching at Gonzaga. I think when we look back in 5 years, Suggs may be the All Star of the group.

Suggs is being discounted because people see him as a point guard and we have Garland. He can play off the ball too, as he did with Joel Ayayi at Gonzaga. It’s been said that Suggs has that ‘it factor’ that Russell Wilson & other great leaders have. If that’s true, we need to look hard at Suggs.

Mobley is #2 for me, behind Cunningham, but Green & Suggs are 3a & 3b. I’d honestly be happy with any of the 3 (Mobley, Green, or Suggs) as I think all will be very good NBA players.