2021 Draft Prospects Thread

[Jack Brickman]

It wouldn't be a good idea, and that seems to be the diametric opposite of what the front office strategy leadership's likes to do.

If anything, I could see them combining two or three picks this draft to move up or to gain a higher pick in 2022.

I honestly think that QB is the only position that is important enough to burn a future first round pick to trade up for, and even that's a dicey proposition unless you're already in a position to compete and a QB is your main weakness.

Even with a team like San Francisco that does seem on the cusp of contention from a roster talent perspective, not having firsts for the next two years might really hurt their short-term window since they won't be able to add top-end draft talent with those picks.

Unrelated to the Browns......Lions will be must watch TV for me.

I can't wait to see how much of a dumpster fire Goff is without McVay giving him pre snap help in his ear and the surrounding offensive talent LA had.

Their new coach might also be insane.

 

[DJTJ]

I think you're forgetting about Slater, who will certainly be one of the top two tackles taken.

This draft is so loaded at tackle...

I completely forgot about him, because my brain is still reeling from anon scout quotes thinking he’s better off as a guard long term.

The Athletic’s draft coverage has been terrific.

 

[DJTJ]

The trade up would be for one of the four. I do wonder if one of the teams I mentioned made Davis Mills a promise to stay in the draft

It’s gotta be the Saints right? I just can’t get past the thought.

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

Davis Mills is such a wet fart. I cannot believe any team is really going to go after him in the 1st.

 

[Jack Brickman]

Davis Mills is such a wet fart. I cannot believe any team is really going to go after him in the 1st.

I'm more interested in figuring out which of the top five QBs will bust. It's basically impossible for all five of them to hit. This reminds me of Baker's draft. At least two of these guys are going to turn out to be Rosens or Darnolds.

I just have no fucking clue which two.

 

[Randolphkeys]

Davis Mills is such a wet fart. I cannot believe any team is really going to go after him in the 1st.

Any team who needs a QB has to decide if they want to tear it all down and tank for a season or get creative.

Looking at the Niners is a good idea - they didn't trade away their 2021 first rounder even though they were in the Super Bowl. One year later, they needed to sell their future drafts to get an upgrade from Jimmy G.

Making a promise to Mills if you think he is going to blow up as a senior might be the best way to secure somebody worth developing without tanking or selling off your future.

 

[DJTJ]

I'm more interested in figuring out which of the top five QBs will bust. It's basically impossible for all five of them to hit. This reminds me of Baker's draft. At least two of these guys are going to turn out to be Rosens or Darnolds.

I just have no fucking clue which two.

Depends on what you define bust.

I drive the Zach Wilson train, and he is undoubtedly most likely to bust in the traditional/Rosen sense.

I think Mac Jones is most likely to Darnold, where he’ll have a long career but never be more than a jag.

I think one of Fields/Lance will be like Jameis Winston- where a team who drafted potentially gives up on them way too fucking fast, so they get deemed a “bust”.

But also? I’m rooting for every single one outside of Lawrence to succeed. Petulant douchebag.

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

I'm more interested in figuring out which of the top five QBs will bust. It's basically impossible for all five of them to hit. This reminds me of Baker's draft. At least two of these guys are going to turn out to be Rosens or Darnolds.

I just have no fucking clue which two.

Pretty easy for me.

Wilson played in a pee-wee league, behind a near NFL quality offensive line, and isn't very good in the pocket. People love to rip on Baker for his poor pocket awareness, and I think Wilson is worse.

I think Fields and Lance should be pretty good. Lawrence will underwhelm for what he's hyped to be, but he's going to be good. Mac Jones is going to be a 20ish ranked QB. Mills...I don't know, maybe like Jon Kitna?

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

I'm more interested in figuring out which of the top five QBs will bust. It's basically impossible for all five of them to hit. This reminds me of Baker's draft. At least two of these guys are going to turn out to be Rosens or Darnolds.

I just have no fucking clue which two.

I'll give you a better guess after I see the situations they land in... but if you make me call my shot now, Fields and Wilson. They're much more talent than football player at this point. There are apparently questions behind the scenes regarding Fields's work ethic ("Last guy in, first guy out") and I think we're all just so enamored with Wilson's arm talent that we forget about the rest of the equation.

 

[DJTJ]

I'll give you a better guess after I see the situations they land in... but if you make me call my shot now, Fields and Wilson. They're much more talent than football player at this point. There are apparently questions behind the scenes regarding Fields's work ethic ("Last guy in, first guy out") and I think we're all just so enamored with Wilson's arm talent that we forget about the rest of the equation.

Wilson is going to really struggle in the NY market, because while he has a terrific work ethic, the NY media won’t put up with the growing pains that he’ll undoubtedly have.

It’s crazy how much situations matter. If you could lock Wilson into SF, I’d tell you I feel very confident that he will be a long franchise QB.

For all the QB needy teams, that’s the best spot.

 

[Randolphkeys]

Wilson is going to really struggle in the NY market, because while he has a terrific work ethic, the NY media won’t put up with the growing pains that he’ll undoubtedly have.

It’s crazy how much situations matter. If you could lock Wilson into SF, I’d tell you I feel very confident that he will be a long franchise QB.

For all the QB needy teams, that’s the best spot.

Wilson, like Trey Lance, looks awesome in a highlight package. Both have some bad plays where you worry about their learning curve in the NFL. Of course, I said the same about Baker and in year three I don't think I have to worry anymore.

 

[DJTJ]

Wilson, like Trey Lance, looks awesome in a highlight package. Both have some bad plays where you worry about their learning curve in the NFL. Of course, I said the same about Baker and in year three I don't think I have to worry anymore.

I watched BYU games religiously (pun intended) this year.

I have no qualms on Wilson as a prospect from arm talent. There are obvious warts, but I appreciate his work ethic. His jump was... insane, and that was him going on his own time/dime to QB school.

 

[blommen]

The more I think about it, the more I see Barmore being the play at 26 if he's there. It tracks with how the team values the position, and Barmore is very young and is going to take a while to develop, which resonates with Berry's comments wrt draft for the future as opposed to immediate on-field impact. furthermore, with how shallow the DL class is this year, and with how deep LB, CB and even EDGE is in terms of day 2 talent, picking up Barmore in the first allows the team to find strong value at those positions later in the draft as opposed to reaching for a compromise. Even if you miss out on the top 4 CB's and don't feel comfortable taking a chance on Farley, you still have Stokes, Adebo, Samuel, etc. one of which could easily fall into a range where you're comfortable trading up after him. Same situation at LB with Werner, Browning, Cox, etc. pretty much every single EDGE prospect in the class can be characterized as a work in progress with high athletic upside anyway, so putting that on the backburner until day 2-3 seems sensible as well.

To be clear, I don't know that I would prefer Barmore over any given EDGE, CB or LB who we've brought up over time in a vacuum, but in the very likely event that Paye, JOK, Horn, Newsome, Phillips, etc. are all gone I think picking Barmore actually allows for a much larger degree of flexibility later on in the draft.

 

[Randolphkeys]

The more I think about it, the more I see Barmore being the play at 26 if he's there. It tracks with how the team values the position, and Barmore is very young and is going to take a while to develop, which resonates with Berry's comments wrt draft for the future as opposed to immediate on-field impact. furthermore, with how shallow the DL class is this year, and with how deep LB, CB and even EDGE is in terms of day 2 talent, picking up Barmore in the first allows the team to find strong value at those positions later in the draft as opposed to reaching for a compromise. Even if you miss out on the top 4 CB's and don't feel comfortable taking a chance on Farley, you still have Stokes, Adebo, Samuel, etc. one of which could easily fall into a range where you're comfortable trading up after him. Same situation at LB with Werner, Browning, Cox, etc. pretty much every single EDGE prospect in the class can be characterized as a work in progress with high athletic upside anyway, so putting that on the backburner until day 2-3 seems sensible as well.

In the past week I think I've talked myself into Levi Onwuzurike over Barmore as a prospect at #26. I think I've also talked myself into thinking the Huskies got completely screwed by COVID. This defense would have been a contender.

 

[blommen]

In the past week I think I've talked myself into Levi Onwuzurike over Barmore as a prospect at #26. I think I've also talked myself into thinking the Huskies got completely screwed by COVID. This defense would have been a contender.

I've heard a couple folks rate Onwuzurike over Barmore, and I definitely think there's more of a "breadth" to his potential if that makes sense? I just think, with the premium the FO has put on players from the SEC these past couple of years, it's hard for me to imagine them not having Barmore above him, even though Washington's entire defense is just a blast to watch.