2021 NBA Draft Safari

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

Jalen Johnson is going to be a lottery pick.

I'd also be surprised if Drew Timme came out. He's only a sophomore.

I can't with Drew Timme.. every time I read this name, in my heart I say it like if I was Cartman. Timme!

 

[Derek]

I can't with Drew Timme.. every time I read this name, in my heart I say it like if I was Cartman. Timme!

Now imagine it in Austin Carr's voice...

You in?

 

[Nathan S]

If you're big on Suggs (can't argue with that) I'd suggest you also take a look at Springer a little further down. He's less developed than Suggs, but he's a similar kind of player, and he's more than a year younger.

 

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

Now imagine it in Austin Carr's voice...

You in?

NOPE

 

[Derek]

NOPE

That's ok. Austin Carr is retiring tomorrow anyways.

 

[I'mWithDan]

With Suggs.......he really lags in my stuff, relative to elite PG prospects.

I see the argument that his numbers are suppressed by his teammates but it is also somewhat concerning he doesn't shoot it better relative to him being able to operate without the more all out defensive attention guys like Cade played against.

I don't dislike him, I just think he's a hard evaluation. Almost every recent great PG prospect was an elite scorer in college. Steph, Dame, Kyrie, JA......that is my only pause with Suggs. I still like him.....but his data isn't that interesting relative to the guys mentioned above.

 

[Nathan S]

With Suggs.......he really lags in my stuff, relative to elite PG prospects.

I see the argument that his numbers are suppressed by his teammates but it is also somewhat concerning he doesn't shoot it better relative to him being able to operate without the more all out defensive attention guys like Cade played against.

I don't dislike him, I just think he's a hard evaluation. Almost every recent great PG prospect was an elite scorer in college. Steph, Dame, Kyrie, JA......that is my only pause with Suggs. I still like him.....but his data isn't that interesting relative to the guys mentioned above.

True with my stuff too; I wouldn't be devastated by any stretch if he's the pick, but he grades out a bit below average compared to your typical lottery guard on offense, and a bit above average on defense. 3-point, free throw, offensive rebound, and assist rates are all not bad, but nothing stands out.

 

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

Makes sense...

Although...

Were Derrick Rose or Russell Westbrook elite scorers? his archetype aren't necessarily elite scorers out of the gate.

 

[Nathan S]

Makes sense...

Although...

Were Derrick Rose or Russell Westbrook elite scorers? his archetype aren't necessarily elite scorers out of the gate.

Interestingly, both Rose and Westbrook averaged more than twice as many offensive rebounds as Suggs. It's quite odd that the (consensus) top PG, SG, and SF (Suggs, Green, Cunningham) are all poor offensive rebounders. It's obviously not the only stat that matters, but a *lot* of NBA stars were average or better offensive rebounders at lower levels.

 

[MD13]

With Suggs.......he really lags in my stuff, relative to elite PG prospects.

I see the argument that his numbers are suppressed by his teammates but it is also somewhat concerning he doesn't shoot it better relative to him being able to operate without the more all out defensive attention guys like Cade played against.

I don't dislike him, I just think he's a hard evaluation. Almost every recent great PG prospect was an elite scorer in college. Steph, Dame, Kyrie, JA......that is my only pause with Suggs. I still like him.....but his data isn't that interesting relative to the guys mentioned above.

That's my big hesitation with Suggs. It's almost impossible to be an elite PG in today's game if you can't hit the pull up 3 at a good clip. Suggs is playing in maybe the best college offense I've ever seen (?) but he's still a below average shooter and you can see it hinders his game in the half court.

He, kuminga, and barnes are all prospects whose ceiling is basically tied to how well they shoot it in the future.

 

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

That's my big hesitation with Suggs. It's almost impossible to be an elite PG in today's game if you can't hit the pull up 3 at a good clip. Suggs is playing in maybe the best college offense I've ever seen (?) but he's still a below average shooter and you can see it hinders his game in the half court.

He, kuminga, and barnes are all prospects whose ceiling is basically tied to how well they shoot it in the future.

Compared to the other two, Suggs has a very projectable shot either when stationary or off the dribble. I think he is going to be a pretty good 3pt shooter.

 

[MirORich]

If we drafted Suggs, there is no need to automatically “ship out” Sexton or Garland.

You only do that if there is a deal to be had that presents some actual value back. If there is none, you simply move one of them to the bench and split the guard minutes 32/32/32 on average.

The desire or satisfaction in dumping a recent lotto pick still on a cheap contract that isn’t a total bust just to move on or have the “gotcha” moment that proves the GM messed up is weird to me and unnecessary imo. Unless a deal of real value presents itself, continue to hold on to that player and see how they react and develop with further experience, increased talent/competition around them, and a new role.

 

[Lee]

I think Suggs would be a really interesting back court buddy to Sexton.

Two really dynamic and atheltic players and Suggs is a really good distributor to boot. Elite defensively for a guard and plays hard all the time. I suppose he fits better with Sexton than he does with Garland.

At 6'4 or 6'5 and elite passing skills and good defensive skills, getting Suggs would make all of us forget about Haliburton. He is going to be good for whoever drafts him.

 

[Lee]

With Suggs.......he really lags in my stuff, relative to elite PG prospects.

I see the argument that his numbers are suppressed by his teammates but it is also somewhat concerning he doesn't shoot it better relative to him being able to operate without the more all out defensive attention guys like Cade played against.

I don't dislike him, I just think he's a hard evaluation. Almost every recent great PG prospect was an elite scorer in college. Steph, Dame, Kyrie, JA......that is my only pause with Suggs. I still like him.....but his data isn't that interesting relative to the guys mentioned above.

14 points and 50% shooting isnt elite for a freshman on a loaded team? His only non elite stat is 3 point shooting at 33%, but he takes 3.4 a game.

Dame his freshman year at a mid major scored only 11.5 on 43% shooting. He was a better 3 point shooter, but still only 37%. Suggs was a far better scorer than Dame as a freshman and passing isnt even close, and Suggs is on a much bigger stage.

Ja scored 12.7 as a Freshman on 46% shooting and 31% from 3 point. He did have very good passing numbers though.

Kyrie didnt have a freshman season really.

Not sure you are proving your point on him. He is so calm, smooth, vision. I really like Suggs. This is such a loaded class.

 

[Nathan S]

14 points and 50% shooting isnt elite for a freshman on a loaded team? His only non elite stat is 3 point shooting at 33%, but he takes 3.4 a game.

Dame his freshman year at a mid major scored only 11.5 on 43% shooting. He was a better 3 point shooter, but still only 37%. Suggs was a far better scorer than Dame as a freshman and passing isnt even close, and Suggs is on a much bigger stage.

Ja scored 12.7 as a Freshman on 46% shooting and 31% from 3 point. He did have very good passing numbers though.

Kyrie didnt have a freshman season really.

Not sure you are proving your point on him. He is so calm, smooth, vision. I really like Suggs. This is such a loaded class.

Yeah, but think about putting some of those other guys on this Gonzaga team. Would they do better than 4.5 assists and 3.0 turnovers per game? For most lottery PG prospects, the answer is that they'd probably do a lot better.