2021 NBA Draft Safari

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Giddey is in

 

[I'mWithDan]

He's a project, and Okoro's still gonna be pretty raw next season too. I agree we'd be in better shape, definitely in the short term and probably in the long term, drafting a player who's a little more NBA-ready.

Isn't Okoro with a reliable jumper an NBA ready player? Moody strikes me as that. He also has pretty interesting scoring markers when you look at his mix of 3PT volume, 3PT%, FT%, FTR. To me, Moody is generally a better prospect too. And if he measures 6'6"-6'8", I think he's easily a guy you take after the top 5 guys go off the board.

Moody is one of the best fits next to Sexton / Garland, if he has the requisite size. He does all of the things you would want IMO. Provides spacing, he's a quality screener in small P&R action. He's effective in the mid range and backing small players down, which would further compound getting small switches with 1/3 or 2/3 pick and rolls. He is a versatile defender who can comfortably guard on the perimeter. He doesn't need the ball and often operated off ball in college, something that can be a more difficult transition for prospects who have not. Finding scoring within the flow of the offense would be an ideal skill to pair with two more dominant guards.

I would like to see his measurements before confidently slotting him #6 in this draft on the Cavs board.......but if he has the expected size and length, he is just such a good match for the two guys we are trying to build around.....and he also makes Okoro more playable at the 2.

For better or worse, people have a lot of recency bias with the tournament......and I think he's one guy too many people are dwelling on the negatives, relative to a small sample size.

 

[CavsFan07]

When evaluating this topic of Moody vs. Okoro it's important to note that Okoro is a 2 guard.. He is severely out of his level of comfortably when attempting to play the 3.

If Moody measures out closer to a 2 then I can't see the Cavs considering it... if he's projecting more as a 3 then sure, he's in the discussion in the mid lottery picks.

 

[Nathan S]

Isn't Okoro with a reliable jumper an NBA ready player? Moody strikes me as that. He also has pretty interesting scoring markers when you look at his mix of 3PT volume, 3PT%, FT%, FTR. To me, Moody is generally a better prospect too. And if he measures 6'6"-6'8", I think he's easily a guy you take after the top 5 guys go off the board.

Moody is one of the best fits next to Sexton / Garland, if he has the requisite size. He does all of the things you would want IMO. Provides spacing, he's a quality screener in small P&R action. He's effective in the mid range and backing small players down, which would further compound getting small switches with 1/3 or 2/3 pick and rolls. He is a versatile defender who can comfortably guard on the perimeter. He doesn't need the ball and often operated off ball in college, something that can be a more difficult transition for prospects who have not. Finding scoring within the flow of the offense would be an ideal skill to pair with two more dominant guards.

I would like to see his measurements before confidently slotting him #6 in this draft on the Cavs board.......but if he has the expected size and length, he is just such a good match for the two guys we are trying to build around.....and he also makes Okoro more playable at the 2.

For better or worse, people have a lot of recency bias with the tournament......and I think he's one guy too many people are dwelling on the negatives, relative to a small sample size.

Overall I like Moody as a prospect, but I wonder about the combination of Okoro and Moody at the 2/3. Could be a great combination if you have a superstar like Luka at PG, but I feel like both Sexton and Garland struggle in lineups where no one else is a reliable ballhandler.

 

[I'mWithDan]

Overall I like Moody as a prospect, but I wonder about the combination of Okoro and Moody at the 2/3. Could be a great combination if you have a superstar like Luka at PG, but I feel like both Sexton and Garland struggle in lineups where no one else is a reliable ballhandler.

Yeah. Part of Moody making sense is buying in to the development of both Sexton and Garland. To where one or both, reliably become a dominant offensive ball handler. If you have reservations that is possible or likely, there could be stagnation if Okoro and Moody are both non dribbling entities. That would require both the 4 and the 5 to be more creative off the dribble, which if Allen is a long term piece, we already know is not realistic.

My view on Okoro is he is just going to be a rotational guy until a proves otherwise. That was how Boston handled Brown and he eventually developed. If the Cavs are concerned about clearing the deck for him and giving him guaranteed minutes, I think that is a mistake, relative to his profile and play thus far.

To me, Moody and Franz are the two wings that fit with Sexton / Garland. Barnes, who I tend to like more as a prospect, is pretty dicey fit wise. Our spacing and shooting is already horrendous......so I'm not sure you can realistically add Barnes to this group unless we plan to move on from Allen and play Barnes as more of a modern point 4......similar to Simmons. Then add shooting at the 3 and 5.

I know he isn't your favorite prospect......but relative to building around Sexton / Garland, I actually think Cade has the most complimentary skill set.

 

[Nathan S]

Yeah. Part of Moody making sense is buying in to the development of both Sexton and Garland. To where one or both, reliably become a dominant offensive ball handler. If you have reservations that is possible or likely, there could be stagnation if Okoro and Moody are both non dribbling entities. That would require both the 4 and the 5 to be more creative off the dribble, which if Allen is a long term piece, we already know is not realistic.

My view on Okoro is he is just going to be a rotational guy until a proves otherwise. That was how Boston handled Brown and he eventually developed. If the Cavs are concerned about clearing the deck for him and giving him guaranteed minutes, I think that is a mistake, relative to his profile and play thus far.

To me, Moody and Franz are the two wings that fit with Sexton / Garland. Barnes, who I tend to like more as a prospect, is pretty dicey fit wise. Our spacing and shooting is already horrendous......so I'm not sure you can realistically add Barnes to this group unless we plan to move on from Allen and play Barnes as more of a modern point 4......similar to Simmons. Then add shooting at the 3 and 5.

I know he isn't your favorite prospect......but relative to building around Sexton / Garland, I actually think Cade has the most complimentary skill set.

The thing about Franz relative to Moody is you basically get to skip the inevitably rough 19-year-old rookie season and skip to the 20-year-old season where he's more or less a competent roleplayer right away. That's really enticing after spending 3 straight years with rookies who're sub-replacement-level players. But again, Moody is far from my least favorite option in this draft.

My issue with Cade isn't fit...I think he's a quality fit, although he doesn't offer the same defensive versatility as some other top wings (Barnes, Wagner, and to a slightly lesser extent Moody and Kuminga). I just don't think he's a very good prospect overall.

 

[Ozone]

Seeing how our 4 are either always hurt or Checking out....My first choices is Mobley ......What other 4 type are good enough in the top 10 ........

Mobley can maybe play the 4 but I think it's obvious he will be drafted as a 5

 

[pr26]

Mobley can maybe play the 4 but I think it's obvious he will be drafted as a 5

I know I’m in the minority on this but I actually think he has a higher ceiling as a 4. If he doesn’t add too much bulk (he does need to strengthen up though) , he has the mobility to guard the interior and perimeter. Playing the 4 will also force him to develop that 3 ball and his face up game. With Allen protecting the rim, he could be an absolute force defensively on the perimeter. Plenty of minutes for him to play the 5 too with Allen off the court. Would give this roster a lot of flexibility.

 

[daytripper]

Barnes scares me. I like him as a player and the passion that he plays with as well as his drive, but he kinda scares me.. not gonna lie. I'm not as high on him as a I was a few months ago.

Yeah I've cooled on him a bit too esp since it's become clear the Cavs need more shooting/scoring from their wings and frontcourt. I think he can be a good player but in hindsight am concerned about his scoring/shooting. I mean he's good when going downhill in space but other than that he doesn't add much except as a passer (and even then his high dribble and average handle takes away alot of that). Defensively he can guard 4 positions so that is a huge positive. Unless Okoro and Allen dramatically improve as shooters I don't think Barnes is really the best fit for the Cavs. Offhand I can't think of another guy that shot the ball as badly as Barnes that went on to become even an average shooter in the NBA which ironically is the same thing we were saying about Okoro last year. At least Okoro was a decent FT shooter which I can't even say about Barnes. Also Barnes will basically already be 20 years old by the time the draft rolls around too...even Wagner as a sophomore is a few weeks younger than Barnes.

 

[MD13]

I know I’m in the minority on this but I actually think he has a higher ceiling as a 4. If he doesn’t add too much bulk (he does need to strengthen up though) , he has the mobility to guard the interior and perimeter. Playing the 4 will also force him to develop that 3 ball and his face up game. With Allen protecting the rim, he could be an absolute force defensively on the perimeter. Plenty of minutes for him to play the 5 too with Allen off the court. Would give this roster a lot of flexibility.

I think he'll probably look a lot like AD in this regard- the majority of his mins will come as a 4 to preserve his body through the season, but he'll have short stints in the clutch as the 5, where he'll probably affect the game most. Maybe he eventually grows into a 5 permanently, but given how important he is to whoever drafts him, I can't see him being the 5 full time from the get go.

 

[Derek]

I think he'll probably look a lot like AD in this regard- the majority of his mins will come as a 4 to preserve his body through the season, but he'll have short stints in the clutch as the 5, where he'll probably affect the game most. Maybe he eventually grows into a 5 permanently, but given how important he is to whoever drafts him, I can't see him being the 5 full time from the get go.

I agree with this. Similar to Bosh in that regard as well.

 

[Nathan S]

People don't talk about it too much, but Mobley really stands out as a passer relative to previous elite center prospects:

He's the first major-conference freshman center ever to average more than 2 assists per game.

 

[Smooth]

Mobley is the one guy I really think can take turn this rebuild around quickly while keeping the roster relatively in tact... Suggs/Green/Cade would all be a consolation prize if they make it into the top-5, and would really help fill the void of x-factor/playmaker/big guard off the bench they missed when KPJ walked out the door..

Whether or not the Cavs plan to stick with Garland/Sexton, the Cavs need size and shooting point blank... That's why I lean more towards Moody/Kispert (if they get really unlucky in the lottery) if they fall in the 6-10 range.. That's also why I'm all over Duarte later if the Cavs can't nab shooting on the front end..

Barnes/Kuminga/Giddey/Johnson just worry me with how consistent their jumpers will be, and Wagner doesn't do anything that stands out..

I think the one X-factor in this whole draft for the Cavs if they miss out on Mobley/Cade/Suggs/Green is Jalen Johnson... He's the one guy outside the top-5 who has the skillset to be in the top-5 but could have a pretty high variance in how he's viewed by teams... I would feel a little bit better about his shot at the 4 then the aforementioned foursome on the perimeter... He also seems like he could have a similar impact/skillset as Nance...

 

[Nathan S]

Mobley is the one guy I really think can take turn this rebuild around quickly while keeping the roster relatively in tact... Suggs/Green/Cade would all be a consolation prize if they make it into the top-5, and would really help fill the void of x-factor/playmaker/big guard off the bench they missed when KPJ walked out the door..

Whether or not the Cavs plan to stick with Garland/Sexton, the Cavs need size and shooting point blank... That's why I lean more towards Moody/Kispert (if they get really unlucky in the lottery) if they fall in the 6-10 range.. That's also why I'm all over Duarte later if the Cavs can't nab shooting on the front end..

Barnes/Kuminga/Giddey/Johnson just worry me with how consistent their jumpers will be, and Wagner doesn't do anything that stands out..

I think the one X-factor in this whole draft for the Cavs if they miss out on Mobley/Cade/Suggs/Green is Jalen Johnson... He's the one guy outside the top-5 who has the skillset to be in the top-5 but could have a pretty high variance in how he's viewed by teams... I would feel a little bit better about his shot at the 4 then the aforementioned foursome on the perimeter... He also seems like he could have a similar impact/skillset as Nance...

I think Wagner's defense is underappreciated. Arguably the best defensive player on the best defensive team in the country at 19 years old, but he's talked about like he's just okay.

For size and shooting on a budget, I'd point to Julian Champagnie who I've posted about a little bit before in this thread. More polished offensive player than Moody, more likely than Kispert to be a competent defender, and real SF size unlike Duarte. Don't understand why he's so under the radar.

 

[kriegs]

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