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He isn't getting much time on the main field, he's been predominantly on the back fields.

But he looks good. Added a good bit of weight, cleaned his swing up a bit, and still real smooth at SS. I mentioned it elsewhere, but Gimenez, Arias, and him are the only long term SS in camp this year, IMO.

Back fields this year have been a lot of fun with him, Valera, Palacios, Fermin, Benson, Lavastida, and Yanier Diaz all back there.

They love, love, love Lavastida and Diaz. Both of those guys can really hit as Cs. Lavastida is very fundamentally sound at C, Diaz is more rough around the edges but has an absolute cannon. They're both getting the Sandy treatment early on too, which will only help them.
Early thoughts on the pitching so far, and any changes on prospective starters or pen. I thought Vargas had electric stuff, but a lot of moving parts. He’s going to be fun to watch when there’s more consistency.
 
The parts in bold are not true Gson.

Not sure where you saw that info to write your post but its way off.

Try 4 seasons... 403 gms 1478 AB... 3306 Innings at SS (1335 chances) and 41 errors..
From: https://www.mlb.com/player/amed-rosario-642708 showed 171 AB's for "spring training" stats.. my bad..
 
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I dont care much about defensive metrics, because they just don't agree. In fact, they often aren't even close. I'd much rather see with my own eyes. Since I've never seen ARosa, they are all I can go on.

I do know this. He was totally mishandled in NY, and things snowballed from there. Off the top of my head, the only player I've seen that was handled worse was Casey Blake, who should have been in MLB three years earlier. It is unfathomable that three orgs let him slip away for nothing.

I know this, too. As a prospect, he is the highest rated position prospect weve had since probably Sandy Alomar. Had he not been called up at least a year too soon, and we had traded for him two years ago, the same folks that dismiss him now would have been drooling.

He was the ultimate buy low candidate, and if the general concensus is true, we got him as a throw in. (I have my doubts)
And the FO thinks enough of him that he isn't in Cincinnati's lineup right now.

My hope is that he becomes our new Casey Blake, playing full time at whatever position of need we have at the moment...which right now is shortstop. It could be 2B next year....or an outfield spot. Or, he could build up value as a regular this year for a trade after the season.

Since nobody on here has spent much, if any, time watching him play, the only things we can go on are stats, scouting reports, and narrative. The narrative out of NY is totally negative, just like it was on Peralta here and on Blake in Minnesota....and in the latter two cases, the narrative was completely false.

IMO the prospects can wait. Lets put Rosario at short and see what happens, because he was a far better prospect...far better...than anybody we have today.

In fact, the FO and Tito could show him some real love and tell him he's gonna be an everyday player. If you look at his statcast numbers, you see a clear progression across the board...AEV trending up, the same with launch angle and hard hit rate. Then, everything fell off a cliff last year as the Gimenez hype increased.

Think JRam when he was our starting SS and kept hearing about Lindor. Jose really struggled in that situation, but took off as soon as that pressure was gone.

We are all hoping that somebody on this roster blows up into a suddenly productive player this season. The most likely is Amed Rosario.
Asdrubal was widely panned as one of the worse defensive SS's in baseball.. too.. He was okay..made most/all the routine plays.. a few of the 90 percentile gets.. and hit with a little power.. a little average and took some, not many walks.. and is still playing.. must be something there or he's fooled a bunch of ML clubs..
 
Yeah, there is a difference between a bad fielding guy and the worst guy compared to his teammates. Rosario is serviceable at SS, but in comparison to other options on the team, he isn't good.
Yes, I get this, and don't dispute your observations. But "serviceable" may all that we need when it serves the two purposes I discussed above. Perhaps at worst we're talking a negligible overall impact to the organization, if not a positive. What I didn't mention is there's also some pressure entering the season as Francisco Lindor's replacement--"generational" player we're told he was--so wouldn't Rosario's much more extensive experience not only playing the position at the major league level, but dealing with New York-sized expectations, make him the ideal guy to use as a transitional figure until Gimenez's service time is satisfied?
 
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This is Amed's chance to really shine and prove himself. He has a clean start with a team that really needs someone to produce in the lineup. Amed's SS numbers aren't very favorable to him, but he is a good athlete so even if he doesn't win the SS spot, he could play as an utility/find a different everyday spot if he hits. Once we get to see him, then we will all be able to eye test him at the end of the day.
 
This is Amed's chance to really shine and prove himself. He has a clean start with a team that really needs someone to produce in the lineup. Amed's SS numbers aren't very favorable to him, but he is a good athlete so even if he doesn't win the SS spot, he could play as an utility/find a different everyday spot if he hits. Once we get to see him, then we will all be able to eye test him at the end of the day.
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"...-Amed: Trade him.. The return in trade for Amed should be looked at closely, it has to help now and into the future if a deal is made... Amed's numbers away from Citi.. are enticing... What he needs as a new member of this club is to be given every chance for a role on the club & he can do that in the meantime..even if he doesn't get traded.."
 
so for anyone out there in goodyear - you've gotta buy tickets in lots of 4? does that sound right?
 
...other than the mercado 125 foot gork that dropped in for a single (looks like a scorched liner in the box score).. not a lot to say about the Indians half of the inning.. Houser pretty much owned them..

up comes the Brewers in the bottom half of the first..

A one pitch first out.. followed by a spectacular catch by former Brewer Ben Gamel falling over the low fence in the left field bullpen & major league flyout to Gamel in RF for the third out.. 9 pitches.. three outs.. indians back into the dugout..
 
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Civale is pitching out of the stretch. And his motion looks VERY different. Interesting.

And finally, one of our top guys on the mound has a clean inning!
 
Get me over fastball by Lauer to yu chang is deposited about 20 feet up on the berm in left center to score Gamel who walked... That's the swing that makes Yu Chang so dangerous.. A ML pitcher who throws that pitch.. spends a LOT of time riding busses... We'll see if Yu Chang can hit something with a wrinkle..but he did what he was supposed to with that mistake..

Mike Freeman follows suit with another homer.. 3-0...
 
Freeman taking a lefty out - - nice

So does the parade start on Ontario?
 
Gimenez has a nice, tight swing. Looks quite a bit more compact than I was anticipating.

Taking a look at some clips on Savant, looks improved to LY as well.

Just missed going B2B2B there.
 
Freeman taking a lefty out - - nice
The funny thing about that is, in the battle to become the team's utility infielder, Chang's good feeling lasted, what, about forty-five seconds?
 

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