2022-2023 Regular Season II: Cardiac Cavs

[inliner311]

I think supermax is the wrong terminology for this. Supermax is usually the 35% max contract with someone with 7, 8, or 9 years of NBA experience. Mitchell isn't eligible for the supermax because he was traded to us and it was after his first 4 seasons in the NBA. Garland's contract I'm less sure of but it isn't a supermax at the moment, it might have language for it to become a supermax if he hits the benchmarks to be eligible for a supermax.

I thought you can't have 3 players on designated max extensions which are the 5 year extensions. Maybe the limits are all taken off for this and the supermax.

 

[Douglar]

I think supermax is the wrong terminology for this.

I think it is correct.

Report: Donovan Mitchell signing max contract extension with Jazz

Jazz guard Donovan Mitchell, amid a sophomore slump that followed a magnificent rookie year, said he was uncomfortable no longer being the underdog.

nba.nbcsports.com

The exact amount of Mitchell’s extension won’t be determined until the salary cap is set next year, when the extension kicks in. The extension projects to be worth $163 million and would reach a $196 million projection only if Mitchell triggers the super-max.​

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He would do so by making an All-NBA team, winning MVP or winning Defensive Player of the Year next season. Which of those honors would qualify was a matter of negotiation between Mitchell and Utah.​

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Cavs All-Star Garland gets max rookie extension

The Cavaliers and All-Star guard Darius Garland have agreed to a five-year, $193 million maximum designated rookie contract extension that could be worth as much as $231 million.

www.espn.com

Garland needs to be voted onto one of the three All-NBA teams next season to earn the $231 million supermax escalator.​

 

[shoes22]

Garland does not have a supermax (and won’t), but his contract would become one if he made All-NBA this year. So it’s a moot point regardless.

 

[inliner311]

I think it is correct.

Report: Donovan Mitchell signing max contract extension with Jazz

Jazz guard Donovan Mitchell, amid a sophomore slump that followed a magnificent rookie year, said he was uncomfortable no longer being the underdog.

nba.nbcsports.com

The exact amount of Mitchell’s extension won’t be determined until the salary cap is set next year, when the extension kicks in. The extension projects to be worth $163 million and would reach a $196 million projection only if Mitchell triggers the super-max.​

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He would do so by making an All-NBA team, winning MVP or winning Defensive Player of the Year next season. Which of those honors would qualify was a matter of negotiation between Mitchell and Utah.​

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Cavs All-Star Garland gets max rookie extension

The Cavaliers and All-Star guard Darius Garland have agreed to a five-year, $193 million maximum designated rookie contract extension that could be worth as much as $231 million.

www.espn.com

Garland needs to be voted onto one of the three All-NBA teams next season to earn the $231 million supermax escalator.​

They both have supermax language in their contract but they haven't triggered supermax deals. I'm not sure Mitchell can trigger the supermax because he was traded and I think you have to be on your original team or traded under your rookie contract to be eligible for the supermax. I know Mitchell signed a contract with supermax language while in Utah but players that triggered supermax contracts were still on their original teams when they triggered it.

Here is a quote about Mitchell before the trade.

Donovan Mitchell and Bam Adebayo are among those who don’t have enough service time under their belts yet and would need to earn an All-NBA spot in 2024 to qualify — and again, that would hinge on them remaining with their current teams, which appears increasingly unlikely for Mitchell

Super-Max Candidates To Watch In 2022/23

A pair of Celtics and a pair of Raptors are among the players worth keeping an eye on.

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For the Cavs and Mobley, I don't think it was the supermax language in Garland and Mitchells contracts holding back us signing him to a max extension. It was the rule that you couldn't have more than 2 players under the five-year designated rookie scale max extension.

Evan Mobley Ineligible For Rookie Scale Max In 2024 After Cavs Traded For Donovan Mitchell

Evan Mobley Ineligible For Rookie Scale Max In 2024 After Cavs Traded For Donovan Mitchell - RealGM Wiretap

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[Douglar]

They both have supermax language in their contract but they haven't triggered supermax deals. I'm not sure Mitchell can trigger the supermax because he was traded and I think you have to be on your original team or traded under your rookie contract to be eligible for the supermax. I know Mitchell signed a contract with supermax language while in Utah but players that triggered supermax contracts were still on their original teams when they triggered it.

The supermax provision continues after the trade, and that was the whole deal. The Cavs gave Darius Garland a contract with a supermax provision and then traded for Mitchell whose contract had a supermax provision, so they were not going to be able to offer a contract with a supermax provision to Mobley because they had two contracts with Supermax provisions on their team already and that prevented them from creating a third contract with a supermax provision.

But that changed this week, and you can have more than two contracts with supermax provisions on a team next season, so it's all non-issue.

 

[ShawnKempIsMyDad]

The supermax provision continues after the trade, and that was the whole deal. The Cavs gave Darius Garland a contract with a supermax provision and then traded for Mitchell whose contract had a supermax provision, so they were not going to be able to offer a contract with a supermax provision to Mobley because they had two contracts with Supermax provisions on their team already and that prevented them from creating a third contract with a supermax provision.

But that changed this week, and you can have more than two contracts with supermax provisions on a team next season, so it's all non-issue.

Say "Supermax Provision" one more time.

 

[inliner311]

The supermax provision continues after the trade, and that was the whole deal. The Cavs gave Darius Garland a contract with a supermax provision and then traded for Mitchell whose contract had a supermax provision, so they were not going to be able to offer a contract with a supermax provision to Mobley because they had two contracts with Supermax provisions on their team already and that prevented them from creating a third contract with a supermax provision.

But that changed this week, and you can have more than two contracts with supermax provisions on a team next season, so it's all non-issue.

I looked at multiple articles and Hollinger would be the most reputable writer to state that Mitchell isn't supermax eligible anymore. I know it doesn't matter to the Mobley situation but I do think it has an impact on Cavs ability to resign Mitchell.

The biggest risk factor for Cleveland, however, is that Mitchell can opt out of his deal after the 2024-25 season. Signing a contract extension between now and then would likely be a poor business decision for him – he is no longer supermax eligible post-trade and the expected rise in the cap makes a regular extension unpalatable. The flight risk is a real given Mitchell’s reported interest in New York. That could pressure the Cavs into trading him in the summer of 2024. (That is also why the Jazz took on the Cavs’ first-rounders between 2025 and 2029).

Hollinger: Everyone played their cards right in the Donovan Mitchell trade

In the end, the Cavaliers, Jazz and Knicks made the right decision in the Donovan Mitchell trade to Cleveland.

theathletic.com

 

[adam81king]

Say "Supermax Provision" one more time.

SUPER.

MAX.

PROVISION.

 

[Sebastian]

Congratulations on 50 wins!

This is the first 50 win Cavs team, without LeBron, since 1992-1993 when the Cavaliers finished 3rd in the East with what was considered an ok 54-28.

The Cavs went on to beat the Nets in a tough 5 game series, 3-2, with some noting how mediocre the Cavs were playing, and got swept by the Bulls with a whimper after all the Gerald Wilkins hype in the preceding off-season.

It was a regrettable ending to the Lenny Wilkens era, and, even though they didn't know it at the time, the last time Brad Daugherty and Larry Nance played a playoff game.

But this team is on the upward bound and have many playoff series ahead of them!

 

[Alec]

Gunning for that third seed.

 

[chuck0609]

50 wins!! It should not be taken for granted!

 

[chuck0609]

Gunning for that third seed.

Naw. Three back in the loss column.

 

[inliner311]

The supermax provision continues after the trade, and that was the whole deal. The Cavs gave Darius Garland a contract with a supermax provision and then traded for Mitchell whose contract had a supermax provision, so they were not going to be able to offer a contract with a supermax provision to Mobley because they had two contracts with Supermax provisions on their team already and that prevented them from creating a third contract with a supermax provision.

But that changed this week, and you can have more than two contracts with supermax provisions on a team next season, so it's all non-issue.

So here is an article about designated rookie max deals which states that it's the designated rookie max that prevented us from giving Mobley a designated rookie max deals. The supermax provision is just something that can be negotiated in but designated rookie max deals could not have it in it.

Here are some quotes

"Teams are only allowed to have two designated rookies at a time."

Doesn't this rule allow players to get a higher maximum salary?

That is the 5th year, 30 percent max criteria, better known as the Derrick Rose rule. This provision is often negotiated into designated rookie extensions, allowing players to earn a starting salary of up to the 30 percent maximum reserved for players with 7-9 years of service. Young met the criteria by making All-NBA honors this season and Doncic had already qualified for it when he signed his extension by earning All-NBA honors in his second and third seasons.

While designated rookie extensions must start for at least the 25 percent maximum salary, extensions with the Derrick Rose rule do not have to add an additional five years. For example, Pascal Siakam had the provision negotiated into his extension in 2019 that added four additional years. He met the criteria by earning 2nd Team All-NBA in 2019-20, and earned a starting salary worth 28 percent of the 2020-21 salary cap. Because he doesn’t have the designation, the Nets could acquire him for Durant without needing to reroute Simmons.

HoopsHype explains: What is the Designated Rookie Rule?

HoopsHype is introducing a new series that aims to educate its audience on the rules of the Collective Bargaining Agreement. Here is an FAQ on the designated rookie rule, which has become a topic o…

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I don't have espn insider but apparently Bobby Marks says something in this article that Zion might have to make first team all NBA to make the supermax.

Everything you need to know about 2023 NBA free agency

The 2022 offseason isn't done yet (just ask the Nets), but it's never too early to start looking ahead to next summer.

www.espn.com

 

[2 For The Brew]

Sixers hang on vs Boston. We are locked into the 4th seed.

 

[shoes22]

Yes, the Cavs are officially locked in to the 4th seed. Not many outlets are reporting this, (they were being cautious because they don’t know how tiebreaker rules work) but the Knicks are officially locked into the 5th seed also.

Even though the Knicks and Nets could finish with the same record of 46-36, after four sets of tiebreaker rules, the Knicks eventually win the tiebreaker. It’s applied as follows:

Knicks vs. Nets Tiebreaker (46-36 record):
1. Head-to-head: both teams 2-2
2. Division record (since teams in same division): both teams would be 8-8
3. Conference record: both teams would be 31-21
4. Record against playoff teams in own conference: NYK: 11-8, BKN: 6-13

So the Knicks are locked into the 5th seed, and the Cavs vs Knicks playoff series will start on Saturday April 15th or Sunday April 16th.