2022 Cleveland Guardians Regular Season Thread

[AZ_]

2.5 games out of the wild card, 4.5 out of the divisional lead, with 82 games to go.

Much of the mainstream discourse about the team is an outrage contest about lineup optimization and/or constant bed-wetting about needing to send half the club down and bring up people who have never seen a lick of MLB action.

Some of coming from people who promised to swear off the club because their mascot was retired.


Man, its not just MLB which has a hard time marketing the game. Its becoming more obvious that the fan culture itself is not built for lengthy seasons and anything other than instant gratification.

Rough. The team not playing well seems magnified far more than the previous run they were on before it, same as it ever was.

 

[CDAV45]

Slumps will happen, that's always been part of baseball and it always will be. But for a team constructed the way the Guardians are the margin for error is real slim. Hitting slumps can be weathered out if pitching and defense are immaculate, just as great hitting can overcome some pitching defects.

Right now we have a problem with focus, and it's across the board. Bonehead fielding, baserunning, and throwing errors are coming from different players at different times and many of those mental/focus errors make the difference between winning and losing. We're slumping at the plate so we can't overcome a few runs here and a few runs there that could have been prevented with solid execution of fundamentals.

I get it, our schedule is absolutely brutal right now. We have the youngest roster in MLB by a lot, and these players have never had to go through this kind of a grind. Tito doesn't have any rabbits he can pull out of a hat to shake things up, that has to come from the front office IMO.

You can call it whining if you want, I don't think it's unreasonable to expect some action by the front office to inject a little offensive talent into this roster without sacrificing the future. This team has over-performed beyond any and all expectations and so far the front office's plan for the season has been an incredible success. But now is the time when they either show confidence in this current group, or sit on their hands and punt away the second half of the season.

Anything the front office can do to show they have expectations of competing for a playoff berth would have a pretty strong psychological effect on the roster. Players aren't stupid. Just like the fans, they notice when the lineup sends up one weak batter after another, game after game. You can see hopelessness set in with the overall body language, even with someone like Jose. But just as fast as hopelessness sets in, it can turn around as well. A spark can set off a fire, and good hitters can break out of slumps as a group. I'd like to see the front office do something, anything, to try to provide any kind of a spark. That's all.

So you want them to abandon a plan that has put them in contention for the division? What makes you think they're punting anything away? We haven't even reached the deadline yet and we don't know what they will or will not do. I expect to see some more promotions. I expect to see a trade or 3. I do not expect that they will abandon their plan because that is exactly what has given this team the success it's had to this point.

It is whining and bitching without considering the cause of results. It's a "I want this now" tantrum in what is a "down" moment over a 162 game season. They're coming out of the woodwork in this recent slump and will go back into their dark corners when the team is playing better.

The lineup will not continue to have a 7-9 hole dark cavern. There are answers to the problems coming, but some patience will need to be exercised. Piling on the FO while the team is in a rough patch is chickenshit IMO. Forest for the trees my friend. Forest for the trees.

 

[kriegs]

2.5 games out of the wild card, 4.5 out of the divisional lead, with 82 games to go.

Much of the mainstream discourse about the team is an outrage contest about lineup optimization and/or constant bed-wetting about needing to send half the club down and bring up people who have never seen a lick of MLB action.

Some of coming from people who promised to swear off the club because their mascot was retired.


Man, its not just MLB which has a hard time marketing the game. Its becoming more obvious that the fan culture itself is not built for lengthy seasons and anything other than instant gratification.

Rough. The team not playing well seems magnified far more than the previous run they were on before it, same as it ever was.

The games per discourse ratio for the MLB season is suboptimal. No room for engaging and worthwhile discourse day-to-day in a 162-game season. Outrage and bed-wetting are the natural conclusions.

The reality of an MLB season is the highs are never as high as they seem and the lows are never as low. Hard for fans/media to follow suit without losing interest.

 

[buzzdog]

If the team makes "a trade or three" or makes "some promotions" then they'll be exactly in alignment with what I'm saying. Hell, I only ask for one fucking move because the need is pretty glaring, right now. So, any such complaint or concern about when they're going to do things you say are inevitable is considered "whining, bitching, and bed-wetting"? Fuck off.

No wonder this discussion was so dead for so long, with people reacting the way you do.
ETA: @ CDAV45, nobody else.

 

[DickyLeftridge]

“Calls to send down our struggling CF who is statistically the worst hitter in MLB can only be explained as a generational omen that society no longer deserves MLB. Fans don’t deserve MLB if MLB can’t include Myles Straw.”

Real life post on this website

 

[Andrew Scheid]

2.5 games out of the wild card, 4.5 out of the divisional lead, with 82 games to go.

Much of the mainstream discourse about the team is an outrage contest about lineup optimization and/or constant bed-wetting about needing to send half the club down and bring up people who have never seen a lick of MLB action.

Some of coming from people who promised to swear off the club because their mascot was retired.


Man, its not just MLB which has a hard time marketing the game. Its becoming more obvious that the fan culture itself is not built for lengthy seasons and anything other than instant gratification.

Rough. The team not playing well seems magnified far more than the previous run they were on before it, same as it ever was.

Are we granted your permission to complain about Ernie Clement hitting 7th today and playing in every game this series?

 

[Urban]

Hyperbole, like you read about

 

[Criznit]

How much longer until Brennan-Straw-Kwan followed by OGonz-Brennan/Straw-Kwan?

 

[DickyLeftridge]

As good as this front office is at drafting, trading and developing, they are really bad at admitting mistakes when they make them to a point that it is beyond painful. It took them over 3 years to realize Bourn and Swisher were mistakes. It took them 3 years to finally realize Jake Bauers was a horrible mistake. It took them 4 years to figure out that Zimmer was a horrible mistake. Apparently they can't accept that the Mercado trade was a horrible mistake. There are many other examples I could cite. Now we have Straw here for 5 million per year and you can bank on him blocking real players for several years to come.

I really wish you hadn’t posted this. Because you’re dead right. Just had Jake BauerS flashbacks thinking about it.

Cut bait when it’s time to cut bait. Just seems like their judgment is being clouded by something other than on-field performance in the examples you cited when they refuse.

 

[DCTribefan]

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[DickyLeftridge]

6. Palacios
7. Clement
8. Sandy Leon
9. Straw

Absolutely unreal.

 

[Urban]

I really wish you hadn’t posted this. Because you’re dead right. Just had Jake BauerS flashbacks thinking about it.

Cut bait when it’s time to cut bait. Just seems like their judgment is being clouded by something other than on-field performance in the examples you cited when they refuse.

So to be clear, we're choosing to ignore the first ~1000 plate appearance sample size of Myles Straw being a pretty productive offensive player?

Instead we're going to focus exclusively on his last 2 months and cut bait with him 4 months after giving him $25 million?

There's just nothing rational about this thinking.

 

[JDailey23]

2.5 games out of the wild card, 4.5 out of the divisional lead, with 82 games to go.

Much of the mainstream discourse about the team is an outrage contest about lineup optimization and/or constant bed-wetting about needing to send half the club down and bring up people who have never seen a lick of MLB action.

Some of coming from people who promised to swear off the club because their mascot was retired.


Man, its not just MLB which has a hard time marketing the game. Its becoming more obvious that the fan culture itself is not built for lengthy seasons and anything other than instant gratification.

Rough. The team not playing well seems magnified far more than the previous run they were on before it, same as it ever was.

They got rid of Slider??

 

[DickyLeftridge]

So to be clear, we're choosing to ignore the first ~1000 plate appearance sample size of Myles Straw being a pretty productive offensive player?

Instead we're going to focus exclusively on his last 2 months and cut bait with him 4 months after giving him $25 million?

There's just nothing rational about this thinking.

Hey bub. Glad that you’re the expert on rationality around here. No we don’t need to ignore the ~800 plate appearances Straw had before this season. Those plate appearances are why we batted him lead off and immediately gave him a 5 year deal. But seeing as how you’re the beacon of rationality, why don’t you tell us how many plate appearances Straw can have as the worst hitter in all of MLB before we have to acknowledge he’s closer to the worst hitter in MLB than whatever he was his first 800 plate appearances in the bigs?

How many?

Because he’s at about 320 plate appearances and counting already this year as the worst hitter in the game. My question sounds rhetorical but it’s not bub. I want an exact answer. I trust you won’t have a problem providing it as our resident rational thinking expert.

 

[Urban]

Hey bub. Glad that you’re the expert on rationality around here. No we don’t need to ignore the ~800 plate appearances Straw had before this season. Those plate appearances are why we batted him lead off and immediately gave him a 5 year deal. But seeing as how you’re the beacon of rationality, why don’t you tell us how many plate appearances Straw can have as the worst hitter in all of MLB before we have to acknowledge he’s closer to the worst hitter in MLB than whatever he was his first 800 plate appearances in the bigs?

How many?

Because he’s at about 320 plate appearances and counting already this year as the worst hitter in the game. My question sounds rhetorical but it’s not bub. I want an exact answer. I trust you won’t have a problem providing it as our resident rational thinking expert.

Hey bub.

Were you also wanting the organization to write off Jose Ramirez mid-June 2019 when his OPS was sub .600?

My question sounds rhetorical but it's not, bub

-resident rational thinking expert (AKA "bub")