2022 NBA Draft Safari

[InBoobieWeTrust]

Agbaji measured out well. He can play the 3 in the NBA without much trouble, IMO.

The Cavs will be blessed to be able to land one of Agbaji or Eason. Either guy to me is an excellent pick. I think Agbaji makes us better right now but Eason is so intriguing long term as a prospect next to Mobley. Agbajis shooting would fit in seamlessly as well.

Just give me one of those two. That’s allI ask Mr Altman

 

[I'mWithDan]

The things we hope for sitting at #14.......

Davis to not be a guy who craters and falls out of the top 13.
Someone like Portland drafting Ochai
Williams going in the first 13 picks
Dieng going in the first 14 picks

I think if those 4 things happen, the Cavs would have a choice between Eason / Daniels.......as I would peg these 9 guys as locks to go in the top 13 picks:

Chet, Paolo, Jabari, Ivey, Murray, Sharpe, Duren, Mathurin, Griffin

The scenarios get a lot tougher if Davis starts sliding, as I think Ochai pushing in to the top 13 is more of a longshot.

But those, to me, are the things we are rooting for.

 

["MVP"]

Holy shit at Mark Williams' measurements.

I watched Duke all season and had no idea he was that huge.

He just did the Cavs a huge solid. He's going to push one of those six wings down to us.

I get the thinking that Charlotte has 13 and 15, so if he's there at 13 -- might as well just pick him at 15. But if they try to get cute with it, the Cavs can always take Williams and either trade back a few spots or hold Charlotte hostage and demand an asset from them. I don't think they'll risk it.

One (maybe even two) of Sochan, Eason, Daniels, Griffin, Dieng, or Mathurin will be there for us at 14.

 

[ajz20]

Agbaji measured out well. He can play the 3 in the NBA without much trouble, IMO.

The Cavs will be blessed to be able to land one of Agbaji or Eason. Either guy to me is an excellent pick. I think Agbaji makes us better right now but Eason is so intriguing long term as a prospect next to Mobley. Agbajis shooting would fit in seamlessly as well.

Just give me one of those two. That’s allI ask Mr Altman

If the Cavs can land Eason and Terry in the draft and scoop up Ingles in free agency the team takes a giant leap forward on terms of the ability to matchup with better teams

That would be an amazing offseason

Then just get a vet pg and you are in amazing shape

 

[MirORich]

If I know 100% that either/both Sexton is going to be here long term and work as a playmaking/scoring 6th man and/or LeVerrt will be here and make a marked sustained improvement to his 3P shooting I’d be 100% on board with Eason, Sochan, or Dieng.

But having some concern about Sexton and LeVert makes me pause a bit and consider the importance of adding a long term plus shooter/scorer that while not needing to be a PG like playmaker, at least has some playmaking ability/is not a black hole

Just trying to keep my mind open to the difference between the regular season and playoffs and how you truly need several guys who can score in the half court against dialed in, familiar with you defenses playing at playoff intensity.

 

[Bob_The_Cat]

There just no way the Cavs can justify taking a backup 5 with potentially their last shot at the lottery for many years with the holes we have on the wing. We have an all star center locked up for 5 years at a great value contract that will eat at least 35 minutes a night.

I could see maybe taking a prospect like Williams if you have the 25th pick and they inexplicably drop…but Jarrett Allen is not even 25 years old.

As much as I like Williams as a prospect, that would be an extremely poor decision by the Cavs and it’s one I don’t even believe is in the cards.

I think the Cavs should do whatever they can in their power outside of trading future firsts to lock down Tari Eason. If trade Okoro if it meant jumping up for Eason. Though if Eason goes before us it likely means someone else potentially juicy is dropping. I’ve seen a ton of talk about Griffin or Mathurian dropping out of the top 10. Those dudes can flat out play. The Cavs are going to get a solid wing player no matter what IMO.

Generally I agree, but let's say the FO loves Williams and he's on the board at #14. I could see the merit of taking him and then going wing hunting with a combination of Allen + Sexton, Okoro, Cedi, LeVert, future picks, etc. No idea who your target would be or who might potentially be available, but you should be able to get just about whoever you want at that point. I only say that because C is one of the easier positions to replace production, and there's still a possibility that Mobley winds up playing C long-term anyway.

 

[MD13]

The things we hope for sitting at #14.......

Davis to not be a guy who craters and falls out of the top 13.
Someone like Portland drafting Ochai
Williams going in the first 13 picks
Dieng going in the first 14 picks

I think if those 4 things happen, the Cavs would have a choice between Eason / Daniels.......as I would peg these 9 guys as locks to go in the top 13 picks:

Chet, Paolo, Jabari, Ivey, Murray, Sharpe, Duren, Mathurin, Griffin

The scenarios get a lot tougher if Davis starts sliding, as I think Ochai pushing in to the top 13 is more of a longshot.

But those, to me, are the things we are rooting for.

Another wildcard is Sochan. I don't like him particularly, but I think there's a pretty decent chance he ends up in the top 10 by draft time.

 

[I'mWithDan]

There just no way the Cavs can justify taking a backup 5 with potentially their last shot at the lottery for many years with the holes we have on the wing. We have an all star center locked up for 5 years at a great value contract that will eat at least 35 minutes a night.

I could see maybe taking a prospect like Williams if you have the 25th pick and they inexplicably drop…but Jarrett Allen is not even 25 years old.

As much as I like Williams as a prospect, that would be an extremely poor decision by the Cavs and it’s one I don’t even believe is in the cards.

I think the Cavs should do whatever they can in their power outside of trading future firsts to lock down Tari Eason. If trade Okoro if it meant jumping up for Eason. Though if Eason goes before us it likely means someone else potentially juicy is dropping. I’ve seen a ton of talk about Griffin or Mathurian dropping out of the top 10. Those dudes can flat out play. The Cavs are going to get a solid wing player no matter what IMO.

I think Williams is a guy people just don't know enough about.

Analytically, he is one of the best center prospects.......ever.

After seeing his measurements......at 13, position be damned to me.

It is entirely possible Williams is the best player in this draft 5 years from now.

That is more my stance on him......it isn't taking a center to take a center......the guy has elite possession based production and ridiculous measurements.

 

[MD13]

I think Williams is a guy people just don't know enough about.

Analytically, he is one of the best center prospects.......ever.

After seeing his measurements......at 13, position be damned to me.

It is entirely possible Williams is the best player in this draft 5 years from now.

That is more my stance on him......it isn't taking a center to take a center......the guy has elite possession based production and ridiculous measurements.

If we could trade Allen for a legit two way wing, I wouldn't hate it...

 

[I'mWithDan]

If we could trade Allen for a legit two way wing, I wouldn't hate it...

That is the biggest limiting factor in making a move like that.

Allen is just not interchangeable at all......and neither is Williams.

If one of the two had any ability to play the 4, it would be a big swing to take if Williams were to fall.

Given Williams falling probably relies on Daniels, Eason, TyTy, Sochan etc going in the top 13 picks, we'd probably just bail out of that pick.

But Williams is such a specimen, it is wild that guy might go #13 overall. Teams swung the pendulum too far on center prospects.

 

[Willard513]

Agbaji measured out well. He can play the 3 in the NBA without much trouble, IMO.

The Cavs will be blessed to be able to land one of Agbaji or Eason. Either guy to me is an excellent pick. I think Agbaji makes us better right now but Eason is so intriguing long term as a prospect next to Mobley. Agbajis shooting would fit in seamlessly as well.

Just give me one of those two. That’s allI ask Mr Altman

I think I’m at the point where any of Agbaji, mathurin, Daniels, or Eason being the pick and I would be very happy.

I will say, I have concerns on Eason, I mentioned my concerns with Agbaji and branham in a different thread but Eason fouls a lot…..like ALOT a lot so I’m a bit concerned about that and his jumper(gross) but his profile is of a solid wing so I won’t be upset.

I would love Mathurin here, seems like the perfect fit and need but I don’t think he will be there.

 

[I'mWithDan]

I think I’m at the point where any of Agbaji, mathurin, Daniels, or Eason being the pick and I would be very happy.

I will say, I have concerns on Eason, I mentioned my concerns with Agbaji and branham in a different thread but Eason fouls a lot…..like ALOT a lot so I’m a bit concerned about that and his jumper(gross) but his profile is of a solid wing so I won’t be upset.

I would love Mathurin here, seems like the perfect fit and need but I don’t think he will be there.

Eason is at 6.4 fouls per 100 possessions......relative to the defense stats he produces, it isn't even a remote concern IMO.

He's 1.9 BLK / STL / OREB per foul.
He's 1.1 BLK / STL per foul

Historically speaking....

His BLK / STL / OREB per foul rate is in the 80+% for wings.
His BLK / STL per foul rate is in the 85+% for wings.

He's producing impact with those fouls, so I don't think it should be something that is deemed a negative.

Wings that had similar per foul rates:

OG, Woodard, Bridges, George, Wagner, Crowder, Pat Williams.

 

[MD13]

That is the biggest limiting factor in making a move like that.

Allen is just not interchangeable at all......and neither is Williams.

If one of the two had any ability to play the 4, it would be a big swing to take if Williams were to fall.

Given Williams falling probably relies on Daniels, Eason, TyTy, Sochan etc going in the top 13 picks, we'd probably just bail out of that pick.

But Williams is such a specimen, it is wild that guy might go #13 overall. Teams swung the pendulum too far on center prospects.

Agreed, I don't hate it if we can move Allen for equivalent value on the wing. It would probably make more sense for the future, as I don't think we need to invest a ton of resources in a C as Mobley matures and probably plays the C in crunch time. That said, not sure if an equivalent value trade is out there so I don't think Mark Williams is really on our radar.

 

[MirORich]

From a Fedor PD article today. Article of course mentioned plenty of others but here is a paragraph on Eason and Branham, both of whom Fedor assets has fans in the Cavs FO

“LSU’s Tari Eason and Baylor’s Jeremy Sochan may not be ideal stylistic fits because of a defense-first package, but sources say the Cavs like both prospects and a pure talent grab would be awfully tempting. At least one member of the organization currently likes Eason most of the realistic options at No. 14.”

“Despite Ohio State’s Malaki Branham being viewed as more of a 2 than a 3, he has plenty of fans in Cleveland’s front office, sources say. Branham certainly checks the shooting box, hitting 49.8% from the field, 41.6% from 3-point range and 83.3% from the free-throw line. Branham, who one executive compared to Milwaukee’s Khris Middleton, also showed an ability to create on his own, scoring at all three levels.”

Additional tweet asserting the the Cavs liked Patrick Williams and making (his own) comp between Eason and Williams

 

[I'mWithDan]

Just to drive the foul thing home.

If your argument is less OREB at the NBA level on the wing, his BLK/STL/PF rate is still really good as well.

There's obviously some qualitative scouting here.....like are his fouls dumb fouls, etc.

But his data says he gets a lot of production out of those fouls.