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2022 Off-season Thread - The Future is Bright

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But Atlanta and Toronto were both better than the Cavs this past season and they have young players that will progress as well.

I just hope people realize that the Cavs are not guaranteed a playoff spot this upcoming season.
Are you sure tho? Outside of Scottie Barnes for Toronto I don’t see any other players that are projected to make a huge jump. Atlanta regressed from the year prior and Toronto’s core has sorta plateaued…

Can see a team like Chicago also losing a key piece in Lavine as well…

Nothing is guaranteed for any team but I think the forecast for projecting Cavaliers success and a possible future reign in the east based on where their high ceiling players are in their trajectory certainly leads to a promising future…
 
Seeing teams like Houston, Memphis, and Oklahoma City with multiple first round picks in multiple years makes me think the Cavs botched their rebuild. They should have done a complete tear down starting in 2019 instead of trying to stay competitive. The biggest mistake was resigning Kevin Love to that huge contract. They should have instead used cap space to take on bad contracts from other teams in exchange for draft picks. It is inexcusable for a team like the Cavs who are rebuilding to not have multiple first round picks and now we are looking at not even having a first round pick next year after acquiring a player no one wants. Even though the Cavs hit on Darius Garland and Evan Mobley the team still has multiple holes on the team (shooting guard, small forward, backup point guard, backup center) and no good ways to address those needs.
 
Are you sure tho? Outside of Scottie Barnes for Toronto I don’t see any other players that are projected to make a huge jump. Atlanta regressed from the year prior and Toronto’s core has sorta plateaued…

Can see a team like Chicago also losing a key piece in Lavine as well…

Nothing is guaranteed for any team but I think the forecast for projecting Cavaliers success and a possible future reign in the east based on where their high ceiling players are in their trajectory certainly leads to a promising future…
The thing I found interesting about Toronto is the buzz around the league that Gary Trent Jr. is going to be available this summer.

Why would they shop him when he’s only 23? Why not just keep progressing with their young core?
 
Don't underestimate our own internal growth. We are not going into the 2022-23 season with the 21-22 versions of Garland, Sexton, Okoro, Allen, Mobley, or Cedi Osman. That will be a bigger contributor to our rise next year than signing any specific FAs, drafting any rookies, or any potential trades (probably). The rest of the East may regress, stay the same, or improve. We cannot do anything about that, so we need to push ourselves as far as we can and make the leap to 2nd round team.
 
Seeing teams like Houston, Memphis, and Oklahoma City with multiple first round picks in multiple years makes me think the Cavs botched their rebuild. They should have done a complete tear down starting in 2019 instead of trying to stay competitive. The biggest mistake was resigning Kevin Love to that huge contract. They should have instead used cap space to take on bad contracts from other teams in exchange for draft picks. It is inexcusable for a team like the Cavs who are rebuilding to not have multiple first round picks and now we are looking at not even having a first round pick next year after acquiring a player no one wants. Even though the Cavs hit on Darius Garland and Evan Mobley the team still has multiple holes on the team (shooting guard, small forward, backup point guard, backup center) and no good ways to address those needs.
Houston ? Who in the hell would want Jalen Green & KPJ orchestrating their rebuild ? That team is horrendous and will be for the considerable future….
 
Seeing teams like Houston, Memphis, and Oklahoma City with multiple first round picks in multiple years makes me think the Cavs botched their rebuild. They should have done a complete tear down starting in 2019 instead of trying to stay competitive. The biggest mistake was resigning Kevin Love to that huge contract. They should have instead used cap space to take on bad contracts from other teams in exchange for draft picks. It is inexcusable for a team like the Cavs who are rebuilding to not have multiple first round picks and now we are looking at not even having a first round pick next year after acquiring a player no one wants. Even though the Cavs hit on Darius Garland and Evan Mobley the team still has multiple holes on the team (shooting guard, small forward, backup point guard, backup center) and no good ways to address those needs.
They did that. KPJ flaked out and Windler looks like a miss. But they got those picks by eating salary, or trading cash and seconds they accumulated by selling of players like Hood and Clarkson. They got Rubio, who was the fourth best player on the roster last year, by trading a second and eating a little cap right ahead of F.A. They got Allen, the third best player on the roster, by taking on Prince's deal and giving up the Bucks first (that they got by eating salary).

You're not going to fill ALL of your your needs through the draft in a three-year rebuild (and it was only three years of losing, Sexton was taken with the Nets pick). You're going to have to fill some needs via trades and free agency. The reality is we're ahead of schedule which is why the roster isn't completely filled out. Rushing to fill in all the pieces at once is how you end up with the LeVert trade. If you want to make good trades, and get good players, there's no substitute for patience. The Cavs will be sitting on $50M plus in expiring contracts at the deadline. They have future picks to trade. There are multiple paths for improving this team.

OKC's roster is a lot worse than ours. After SGA and maybe Dort, I'm not sure they have a player who's ready to start for another team.

Memphis is in danger of tacking a step back this season. Ty Jones wants to start somewhere else and Slo Mo is an unrestricted free agent.
 
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The difference between 6th and 8th place was 2 games. Give us either Sexton or Rubio and I think it's a lock we would have won 3 more games. It will be a huge disappointment if we don't make the playoffs next season.
Give us neither, but just keep Allen and Mobley healthy, and we finish with that 6th spot. Allen went down in March, against the Raptors, and we were up 2 and owned the tiebreaker on them.
 
Seeing teams like Houston, Memphis, and Oklahoma City with multiple first round picks in multiple years makes me think the Cavs botched their rebuild. They should have done a complete tear down starting in 2019 instead of trying to stay competitive. The biggest mistake was resigning Kevin Love to that huge contract. They should have instead used cap space to take on bad contracts from other teams in exchange for draft picks. It is inexcusable for a team like the Cavs who are rebuilding to not have multiple first round picks and now we are looking at not even having a first round pick next year after acquiring a player no one wants. Even though the Cavs hit on Darius Garland and Evan Mobley the team still has multiple holes on the team (shooting guard, small forward, backup point guard, backup center) and no good ways to address those needs.
Between this and your post about the Cavs being cock-blocked by the rest of the East, I think we’ve reached the “go home, you’re drunk” portion of today’s programming.

The Cavs did do a total rebuild. And they’ve hit big time on two of their picks, in Garland and Mobley. The jury’s still out on Sexton and Okoro, but neither one is an out-and-out bust. The two picks that haven’t worked out were Windler (although @PIP might want to chime in here, tireless Windler defender that he is …) and KPJ (a reasonable risk that just didn’t work out). I’m not sure what else you were expecting.

In fact, we could point out that the Cavs did have a rebuild of the type you mention, with multiple firsts in consecutive drafts. That rebuild went so great, it required #23 coming home to rescue it from being a giant bag of farts. So let’s not pretend that piling up draft picks is some guarantee of future success.

As for next year’s playoffs: you’re putting on anti-homer goggles and assuming that all of the current playoff teams will stay at that level, whereas the Cavs won’t improve at all (or not enough to matter). Those are two huge and likely false assumptions (especially the first one).

Nobody said that the Cavs were guaranteed playoffs next season, so let’s let go of that strawman. All anybody has said is that it would be disappointing if the Cavs don’t make the playoffs next season. Given their trajectory, that sounds right to me.
 
Between this and your post about the Cavs being cock-blocked by the rest of the East, I think we’ve reached the “go home, you’re drunk” portion of today’s programming.

The Cavs did do a total rebuild. And they’ve hit big time on two of their picks, in Garland and Mobley. The jury’s still out on Sexton and Okoro, but neither one is an out-and-out bust. The two picks that haven’t worked out were Windler (although @PIP might want to chime in here, tireless Windler defender that he is …) and KPJ (a reasonable risk that just didn’t work out). I’m not sure what else you were expecting.

In fact, we could point out that the Cavs did have a rebuild of the type you mention, with multiple firsts in consecutive drafts. That rebuild went so great, it required #23 coming home to rescue it from being a giant bag of farts. So let’s not pretend that piling up draft picks is some guarantee of future success.

As for next year’s playoffs: you’re putting on anti-homer goggles and assuming that all of the current playoff teams will stay at that level, whereas the Cavs won’t improve at all (or not enough to matter). Those are two huge and likely false assumptions (especially the first one).

Nobody said that the Cavs were guaranteed playoffs next season, so let’s let go of that strawman. All anybody has said is that it would be disappointing if the Cavs don’t make the playoffs next season. Given their trajectory, that sounds right to me.
Great take. Only one thing I disagree with.

The bag of farts. There was definitely something lumpy in the bottom of that bag, too.
 
Great take. Only one thing I disagree with.

The bag of farts. There was definitely something lumpy in the bottom of that bag, too.
Gotta agree with you there. What a terrible rebuild. I still hear Dion’s “AND ONE!”s in my nightmares, every so often.
 
But Atlanta and Toronto were both better than the Cavs this past season and they have young players that will progress as well.

I just hope people realize that the Cavs are not guaranteed a playoff spot this upcoming season.
I disagree! I do not agree that either of these two teams are better than the Cavs when our team is completely healthy. We were right in the mix of things with the 5-6th place until injuries hit us!
 
I believe we did it right this time. Teams like OKC, Houston and Sacto living in the lottery year after year won’t sniff a playoff for years while we were able to hit on Garland and Mobley and I like young bull and our trades for Allen, Markannen, and Levert brought in proven young nba talent. If Okoro can keep developing and sprinkle in a couple vets like Rubio we can compete which I’d much rather do then watch a decade of lottery picks develop before we’re finally any good
 
I think the teams collapse had as much to do with conditioning as anything. Guys had such a heavy load at the end they were worn out. Need better conditioning and JB needs to use a longer rotation if he is asking guys to play so hard
I agree about the heavy load, but disagree with it being a conditioning issue.

I think the Cavs were simply worn out by the time March and April rolled around. Toss in some injuries to key people, and you have the ingredients for a collapse.

We’re fond of saying things like “it’s a marathon, not a sprint.” Actual marathons always have a number of runners who go out too hard, are reduced to a hobble by the final miles, and can only watch helplessly as other runners pass them.

It’s not a perfect analogy, but it applies. I think the Cavs were collectively worn down by the final weeks of the season. I don’t think it’s an issue that can be fixed through better conditioning. I do think it’s an issue that has to be fixed by playing larger rotations throughout the season, and not treating some relatively meaningless game in December as a must-win, play-only-seven-guys contest.
 
The thing I found interesting about Toronto is the buzz around the league that Gary Trent Jr. is going to be available this summer.

Why would they shop him when he’s only 23? Why not just keep progressing with their young core?
He's on an expiring contract, he has high expectations for his next one, and they're underwhelmed with his defense.
 
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