2022 Season Series #34 | Astros @ Guardians | August 4-7, 2022

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

I don’t think @Out of the Rafters at the Q is properly articulating why he got a longer leash.

Guys with track records get longer leashes because they almost always break out of it and return to form.

I wouldn’t be surprised at all to see Reyes hit 40 HR next year and continue his successful career. It’ll be frustrating, but it also seems that his designation for assignment was not entirely related to his struggles.

It's the same tired argument. It's why we didn't demote Jose during his slump, or Santana during his, or Straw just recently.. at some point, if someone doesn't understand baseball, people, or this organization's philosophy, I'm not sure there's much to say that will get through.

 

[Martyinnewyork]

It's the same tired argument. It's why we didn't demote Jose during his slump, or Santana during his, or Straw just recently.. at some point, if someone doesn't understand baseball, people, or this organization's philosophy, I'm not sure there's much to say that will get through.

Jose, Carlos Santana and Straw all offer a lot more value than just with the bat. Comparing Reyes’ value to the team with those 3 is ludicrous. Reyes has no value beyond what he provides with the bat.
And being optioned would “piss people off”. Being DFA’d must make people giddy.

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

Jose, Carlos Santana and Straw all offer a lot more value than just with the bat. Comparing Reyes’ value to the team with those 3 is ludicrous. Reyes has no value beyond what he provides with the bat.
And being optioned would “piss people off”. Being DFA’d must make people giddy.

Nobody made any statement about the value each individual player brings to the club. It doesn't matter. Each example was a player who was slumping offensively, and was kept around because that's what you do.

When you have a veteran with an established track record, the odds are that they will break out of it. That's why you let them figure it out.

Furthermore, when there's a veteran in the clubhouse that's struggling, the last thing you want to do is show you have a short leash. That's how you kill chemistry and make everyone else start wondering if they could be next. That's how you move away from the beloved franchise that keeps its own talent at undermarket prices, and turn into the franchise where people leave because they want to go somewhere better.

 

[tabejw23]

I’m hyped Reyes is gone. One of the most overvalued, one dimensional players ever. Dude was only good in short hot steak bursts and provided nothing but lazy slow base running, strikeouts, and brain dead moments at the plate the rest of the time. He is a less capable hitting version of Joey Gallo without the Gold Gloves. Absolutely was a clog to this team and now the dh spot can be cycled through to get more deserving players into the lineup. Good riddance

 

[TxBuckeye]

84 degrees and it is hot. lmfao come on Matt. Bring your weak sauce to Texas.

 

[Derek]

Jose, Carlos Santana and Straw all offer a lot more value than just with the bat. Comparing Reyes’ value to the team with those 3 is ludicrous. Reyes has no value beyond what he provides with the bat.
And being optioned would “piss people off”. Being DFA’d must make people giddy.

It’s not about pissing people off (or avoiding it).

Guys in their prime, with track records, and no major injuries, have historically returned to form at an extraordinarily high rate.

That’s why Franmil wasn’t optioned after a couple bad months.

 

[Martyinnewyork]

Nobody made any statement about the value each individual player brings to the club. It doesn't matter. Each example was a player who was slumping offensively, and was kept around because that's what you do.

When you have a veteran with an established track record, the odds are that they will break out of it. That's why you let them figure it out.

Furthermore, when there's a veteran in the clubhouse that's struggling, the last thing you want to do is show you have a short leash. That's how you kill chemistry and make everyone else start wondering if they could be next. That's how you move away from the beloved franchise that keeps its own talent at undermarket prices, and turn into the franchise where people leave because they want to go somewhere better.

I understand the idea of the short leash. But how do you get Reyes straightened out? Do you sit him till he looks better in the batting cage? Do you lower him in the lineup? Do you keep him in the 4-hole and let the team suffer? I don’t think the team ever figured out a good approach. And now he’s gone in all likelihood.

 

[CATS44]

I will talk about the 40 man problem until it is fixed. And until the FO spends some assets to put this team over the top.

Since the only spendable assets this org has are prospects....

 

[CATS44]

Okay.

Here we go...

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

I understand the idea of the short leash. But how do you get Reyes straightened out?

I think what you're actually trying to ask is "How should an organization handle a slumping veteran?"

I think we can all agree that the answer isn't to demote them early on, like you suggested in the initial post that started this conversation.

Do you sit him till he looks better in the batting cage? Do you lower him in the lineup? Do you keep him in the 4-hole and let the team suffer? I don’t think the team ever figured out a good approach. And now he’s gone in all likelihood.

I think you try what works. Each individual might handle things differently, and there might be unique problems and situations that led to the slump in the first place. I don't know the answers. I don't talk with the players. I'm not in the clubhouse. I'll leave that judgment call to those that are.


I'm not going to pretend to know what La Mole's deal is, but he's seemed frustrated to me ever since he arrived in Cleveland. Where's this guy:



I'm not going to speculate on anything, but based on what I've viewed of him, his demeanor at the plate, and now this sudden DFA, I just hope Franmil can get his career straightened out and get back to the happy, charismatic big slugger that I thought we were getting when we traded for him.

 

[CATS44]

We are coming to bat, and we are not behind.

 

[xmasbuck]

I don’t think @Out of the Rafters at the Q is properly articulating why he got a longer leash.

Guys with track records get longer leashes because they almost always break out of it and return to form.

I wouldn’t be surprised at all to see Reyes hit 40 HR next year and continue his successful career. It’ll be frustrating, but it also seems that his designation for assignment was not entirely related to his struggles.

yes - as frustrated as it has been to watch him this season, i've believed all along that regardless of where he is for the next 5 or 6 years, he'll have a couple of 30 hr seasons

 

[Martyinnewyork]

I think what you're actually trying to ask is "How should an organization handle a slumping veteran?"

I think we can all agree that the answer isn't to demote them early on, like you suggested in the initial post that started this conversation.


I think you try what works. Each individual might handle things differently, and there might be unique problems and situations that led to the slump in the first place. I don't know the answers. I don't talk with the players. I'm not in the clubhouse. I'll leave that judgment call to those that are.


I'm not going to pretend to know what El Mole's deal is, but he's seemed frustrated to me ever since he arrived in Cleveland. Where's this guy:



I'm not going to speculate on anything, but based on what I've viewed of him, his demeanor at the plate, and now this sudden DFA, I just hope Franmil can get his career straightened out and get back to the happy, charismatic big slugger that I thought we were getting when we traded for him.

I suggested demoting him “a month or two ago”, not in April or May.

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

Bregman just made an unbelievable play to rob a sure hit from Amed. From runners at the corners, no outs to two outs, nobody on.

Double play overturned on review

 

[CATS44]

Web gem by Bregman turns a rally into a 5-4. Out call at first is immediately overturned.

Superb play.