2023-24 Season | Game #3 | Pacers @ Cavs | Oct. 28, 2023

[redscoon]

Better than I expected, but second straight night the defense got torched down the stretch of a close game and could not get any stops. If I’m not mistaken, they gave up 4 straight 3s after cutting it to 2 without about 4 to play. At some point, you have to make teams hit a contested 2 and quit abandoning guys behind the arc.

 

[Lee]

Honestly, TT belongs ahead of Jones in the lineup from what I saw tonight. 4 offesive rebounds in 8 minnutes. Offensive rebounds is such an underated stat. I dont want to see Thompson for 20 minutes a night, but if he is in for 10 minutes a nighth to back up Allen some, i wouldnt be mad.

 

[kookoo]

Better than I expected, but second straight night the defense got torched down the stretch of a close game and could not get any stops. If I’m not mistaken, they gave up 4 straight 3s after cutting it to 2 without about 4 to play. At some point, you have to make teams hit a contested 2 and quit abandoning guys behind the arc.

Three seasons of that defensive scheme. Three seasons of it killing us late in game.

 

[Green Lantern]

Niang hasn't done much..I feel asleep during the game in the 3rd..did any of the bench players outplay him? If so...then he doesn't need to be in.

 

[kookoo]

Honestly, TT belongs ahead of Jones in the lineup from what I saw tonight. 4 offesive rebounds i 8 minnutes. Offensive rebounds is such an underated stat. I dont want to see Thompso for 20 minutes a night, but if he is in for 10 minutes a nighth to back up Allen some, i wouldnt be mad.

We needed a boards demon off the bench last season. Not for late game scenarios. But he's someone who can change the momentum and bring the crowd into a game like he did with the board and pass to Niang.

 

[Dr No]

Better than I expected, but second straight night the defense got torched down the stretch of a close game and could not get any stops. If I’m not mistaken, they gave up 4 straight 3s after cutting it to 2 without about 4 to play. At some point, you have to make teams hit a contested 2 and quit abandoning guys behind the arc.

It all starts with not being able to contain the ball handler at the point of attack. We get beat off the dribble too easily or get caught on bad switches. Then the d is forced to scramble and we are cooked

 

[Lil Z]

I appreciated some of the effort tonight but honestly, this team is neither constructed nor coached to play top-flight NBA basketball in 2023. The continual unwillingness and inability to defend the three-point shot indicates a strategy that has not worked in pro ball for at least fifteen years and maybe not even then.

I actually think some of the non-fat players possess the ability to contest threes. They are just not trained to do so, either as individuals or as a team. It is a steady embarassment that is not dependent on injuries. The team competed well enough tonight and scored more on offense than we probably all expected, but on the other end of the floor, they gave away open threes once again at nearly a 40% clip. As expected and frustrating again.

Coaching staff defencies

 

[ZooCrewDude]

Is this the real Futuredome or has someone hacked your RCF account?

At this point, showing optimism in game threads after a loss is elite trolling. Good vibes are unwelcome here.

 

[Green Lantern]

I appreciated some of the effort tonight but honestly, this team is neither constructed nor coached to play top-flight NBA basketball in 2023. The continual unwillingness and inability to defend the three-point shot indicates a strategy that has not worked in pro ball for at least fifteen years and maybe not even then.

I actually think some of the non-fat players possess the ability to contest threes. They are just not trained to do so, either as individuals or as a team. It is a steady embarassment that is not dependent on injuries. The team competed well enough tonight and scored more on offense than we probably all expected, but on the other end of the floor, they gave away open threes once again at nearly a 40% clip. As expected and frustrating again.

This has been a problem from several years..they're not keeping up with their man or looking at someone coming in their space. They don't have that mindset to defend aggressively. Too much space when they are guarding a shooter. I said this yesterday and last year,they don't run defenders at the player with the hot hand to make him give up the ball

 

[Jscc]

At this point, showing optimism in game threads after a loss is elite trolling. Good vibes are unwelcome here.

I get the optimism, but we are at the point where we need to improve this season or we are losing Mitchell. Alot of us were negative in game threads last season [I was one of them] and took flack for it, but then the Knicks series happened and the same mistakes during those regular season games showed up and destroyed us. Even if those regular season games were wins. We are seeing the same mistakes again three games in. It is frustrating.

We are in a situation we haven't been in without #23 in a Cavs jersey and they can't clown around with mistakes in coaching.

 

[ice cream man]

This has been a problem from several years..they're not keeping up with their man or looking at someone coming in their space. They don't have that mindset to defend aggressively. Too much space when they are guarding a shooter.

Poor roster construction (lack of height and switchability) and poor coaching.

So a part of me is going to have to root against the Cavs again this year just to get JBB fired and maybe even DM traded. But definitely the former. JBB, after a disastrous end to last season, surely can’t survive another one, right?

 

[godfather]

Poor roster construction (lack of height and switchability) and poor coaching.

So a part of me is going to have to root against the Cavs again this year just to get JBB fired and maybe even DM traded. But definitely the former. JBB, after a disastrous end to last season, surely can’t survive another one, right?

Nah, don't go there. If we lose, we're fucked. Mitchell is not going to stay.

My stance with JBB is the same with the Browns. I don't care how much they win, the coach needs to go.

Wins or losses shouldn't be the defining factor why coaches go or stay. And it isn't for good franchises. They get rid of coaches that are holding a team back.

Shit, we fired Blatt when we had a great record. I believe best in the East at the time, I forget, but it was ballsy, and we were question for it. Fucking Griffin still saw it, he's holding us back. He's gone. That's how it SHOULD be done.

 

[Green Lantern]

Poor roster construction (lack of height and switchability) and poor coaching.

So a part of me is going to have to root against the Cavs again this year just to get JBB fired and maybe even DM traded. But definitely the former. JBB, after a disastrous end to last season, surely can’t survive another one, right?

Poor roster construction falls on the GM. He's let some taller/physical players walk.. away. Nor has he brought in players who are really versatile.
I can't root against them but they do need a coach who truly understands how to coach and adjust

 

[CavsKermit]

So let him make them pay. If someone is playing off Mobley, Mitchell or Garland can drive and kick. That's the point. Lol. And eventually when it improves, people will start respecting it. The whole point of Evan even being a 4 while we have Allen is we need someone to stretch the floor at the four or Garland, Mitchell, whoever aren't just driving into the paint where Mobley, Allen, their defenders and their own defenders are clogging it up. That's why the offense often looks awkward AF in the first place.

What I'm suggest is that Allen and Mobley's defenders will still be there, it's just that Mobley won't be.

 

[kookoo]

What I'm suggest is that Allen and Mobley's defenders will still be there, it's just that Mobley won't be.

Yeah, I think that's it for me since you're not reading my post. Later skater.