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2023-24 Season | Game #8 | Cavs @ Thunder | Nov. 8, 2023 | 8:00 p.m.

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This thread is too doomer. Any positives from this game?
JA getting Chet in foul trouble early
Mobley springing up to give the team a chance late
Strus being much, much better from 3
Cavs winning the rebound battle (it looked like, need to see the scores)

OKC just could barely miss. Especially from 3.

Both the Cavs bigs made it a point to attack Chet, even if it meant their shots got blocked.
 
This thread is too doomer. Any positives from this game?
JA looked pretty decent. Struss also.

The game was fairly close as horrible as we played. 18 turnovers, 8 from DG. Mitchell was off and not very involved much of the game but even then he scores 20. He spent much of the night watching DG and LeVert dribble.

Mobley had his good spots and some bad ones. TT looked like he didn't belong out there against this team. Every screen was a moving screen, several got called.

The defense was complete ass until we finally chose to start trapping and attacking the ball handlers. That's when we got back into the game. DG did finally get some offense going mainly on drives to the paint. LeVert carried the offense for long stretches but it came at the expense of any ball movement. DG had a ball stopping effect about half the times he was involved also, and the team ended up standing around too many possessions.

I guess clawing their way back into the game after playing like complete ass for 3 quarters, on a night where we had 18 turnovers and Mitchell was having an off night counts as a positive?
 
It's just too many mistakes. They have to stop giving up so many points unforced.

Starters have he had much time together, but it was a problem last year and a reason they lost close games
 
This one stings. 10 missed free throws and 18 turnovers. A lot of points left on the floor.

Their star outperformed our star. SGA was 15-for-22; Mitchell was 8-for-23, including 1-for-9 on 3's. The Cavs were 9-for-29 while the Thunder were 12-for-28 - a 9-point advantage in an 8-point win. As usual, we still can't shoot 3's.

Garland was responsible for 8 of the Cavs' 18 turnovers. That's awful for a guy who is supposed to excel at ball-handling and passing. I know he missed some time and just got back, but he's also 2-for-15 on 3's. If he were playing his normal game we'd have won this one, but he's not there yet.

The Thunder came in dead last in offensive rebound percentage but down the stretch they had two huge putbacks, one by Dort at 1:47 left and another by Holmgren at 1:07. If the Cavs had rebounded those misses they would have been down by 2 points with 56 seconds left.

I expected the Cavs to dominate the glass against the league's worst rebounding team, but it ended up 41-41.

The Cavs' weakness at 3-point shooting and on the offensive glass continues to screw them. OKC came in averaging just 6.9 offensive boards per game - they had 12 tonight. Those seven extra rebounds were probably good for more than the 8-point margin of victory.

The end of the fourth quarter was like deja vu from the first game, where OKC hit four straight 3's while the Cavs were missing 2's and turning it over. The Cavs had pulled to within four points with 4:30 to go when the Thunder hit back-to-back 3's around a LeVert foul, a LeVert turnover, and another missed 3 by Mitchell. In 1:01 the lead went from 4 to 12 points. It took the Cavs over 5 minutes to cut the lead from 12 to 4 and in about three possessions it was right back to 12 again. Frustrating.

SGA came in shooting 26% on 3's and was 0-for-1 when he nailed a step-back 3 with 4:00 to go and the Thunder up by 6. That's was superstars do. He also hit one in Cleveland down the stretch.
 
That plus minus is probably because he was mostly guarding SGA who went off for 40 plus.
 
This team as currently constructed will never be an offensive juggernaut as we will never create a free flowing motion offense. Our 2 bigs are too offensively limited that defenses still pack the paint and close the driving lanes for drive and kick opportunities.

Problem is we cannot even use them as effective hubs as defenses know they are just passing the ball up on those actions.

Jokic, Adebayo, and Sabonis are how should hubs operate. Those guys put pressure on defenses as they are threats to score from 18 ft out which opens up cuts to the basket and hand off opportunities.

Lastly, modern offenses have at least 4 outside threats which allow them to swing the ball much faster and shifts defenses to create opportunities. Comparing that to our team, defenses have easier time guarding us considering they account for one less rotation on the perimeter.

I am still of the opinion that as long as we have that 2 big look we will have nights where it looks like we are laboring to score. Tonight is one of those nights.
 
Not a Mobley fan but there is no reason he should have been out of the game when he was-goes along with that ridiculous time out from 2 games ago.
 
Does anyone have the stats on how many open corner 3's we generate vs other teams? Feels like when we shoot 3's theyre from the top
 

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