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2023 Guardians Spring Training Thread

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Criznit said:
Cam Gallagher is well received by the "brass".. From Paul Hoynes

Among the five candidates, the Guardians are probably the most familiar with Gallagher, who spent four-plus years catching for Kansas City, in how he’d handle the backup role

“We have seen him so much,” said Francona. “Like Chris (Antonetti) said, we tried to trade for him once. We almost claimed him once. He’s almost been in Cleveland a few times.

“I think we feel he comes in with the right ingredients. A guy who can catch first, run the game, things like that. He may have had the best job in baseball as Salvie’s backup (Kansas City’s Salvador Perez)."

Back to me - It seems likes it's Cam's job to lose and even if he loses it.... He probably won't....

I will disappointed if Cam gets the nod over Meibrys myself...
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Meibrys abould definitely be rostered before Gallagher. Hell, he may deserve to start over Zunino if he hits at all.
 
Guardians now 5-11 in spring training; only Miami and Pittsburgh have a worse record. At some point you want to start playing well to build winning habits,don’t you? Yeah, I know everyone will say the games are meaningless.
 
DCTribefan said:
Guardians now 5-11 in spring training; only Miami and Pittsburgh have a worse record. At some point you want to start playing well to build winning habits,don’t you? Yeah, I know everyone will say the games are meaningless.
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I'm more worried about the shaky performances of so many of the pitchers (both starters and relievers) and Big Sam and Cody Morris being hurt. On an individual basis the sample is crap and meaningless but on an aggregate level it's a slight cause for concern. Last year I remember them being slow starters so I'll hope it's just that and that was in April much less Spring Training so... Someone like TMac has went through periods where he really loses command but then he generally has bounced back, so far it's the bad version.

The last thing we should be doing though is trading away any of our starting 5.
 
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The ST record means diddly squat. Like KS said, it's the performances that are concerning. I have no idea what to make of it and I'm not sure there is anything to be made of it. Wasn't there some kind of joke that we didn't want them to do well in ST?
 
Results have always been hard to judge in spring games because for a lot of guys it’s just practice and they’re working on things and not treating it like a real game.

But I’m a big believer in momentum carrying over into the regular season from spring training. Think it’s why Kwan started off so hot, cause he had a hot spring.

But I’m sure there’s a difference in how a rookie trying to make the team treats these games than a 5, 6, 7 year vet. Those guys probably treat these games like fantasy camp games.
 
DCTribefan said:
Guardians now 5-11 in spring training; only Miami and Pittsburgh have a worse record. At some point you want to start playing well to build winning habits,don’t you? Yeah, I know everyone will say the games are meaningless.
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Many of these games that aren't started by our 4th and 5th starters (who don't matter bc you don't use your 4th/5th starters in the playoffs unless it's the last playoffs and we don't take about that) l, the guys who are making the team look fine to me. The bullpen guys have gotten beat up a lil bit until they suck regular season there isn't anything they can do so I don't see a reason to worry.

Now, the record is indicative of the minor leaguers sucking ass once the bigleaguers exit the lineup. That IS concerning, bc those guys are trying to impress and way too many of them look like they think they play for the Browns. Sorry bros, can't be mailing it in in training camp, riding the bike on the sidelines. These guys need to be putting up and getting off to a good start. Mildly concerned for some of them. But the bigleaguers? Not so much. Team just better keep Viloria close.
 
Who remembers what our ST record was last year? 2016? Yeah…me neither.
 
macbdog said:
20-8 in 2016. Last year they were 18-10. In fact, every World Series winner for the last 25 years has had a winning record in spring training.
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Your memory is excellent. Hats off. I forget the ST record about pitch 2 of the regular season.
 
Alabuckeye said:
Your memory is excellent. Hats off. I forget the ST record about pitch 2 of the regular season.
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Same here. It's pretty irrelevant. Just ready to get to: nice weather and real, old fashioned clock controlled baseball games.
 
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Lets see how the last dozen or so games go, and how the players who are actually going to play look.

We've had over 30 appearances by pitchers who have no chance of making Cleveland this year, many of whom will never get to MLB....40% of our at bats are by hitters in the same boat.

Much of the problem with the pitching has been with control/command...a problem this staff doesn't have. Biebers WHIP was 1.93 last spring. His ERA was 13.50. The 'what's the matter with Bieber' posts continued for months.

JRam hit .200 last spring.
Amed hit .176.
Franmil hit .345.
Miller hit .333.

Just like this year, all were meaningless.
 
I don't know why anyone even pays attention to spring training honestly. It's a waste of your time, what happens is meaningless and has proven over and over to have little to no (closer to no) bearing on what will happen when the real games start. If guys are battling for a roster spot, that's one tangible aspect of value and that's about it.
 
CATS44 said:
We've had over 30 appearances by pitchers who have no chance of making Cleveland this year, many of whom will never get to MLB....40% of our at bats are by hitters in the same boat.

Much of the problem with the pitching has been with control/command...a problem this staff doesn't have. Biebers WHIP was 1.93 last spring. His ERA was 13.50. The 'what's the matter with Bieber' posts continued for months.
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I filtered stats out by what I'd call "core pitchers".

This means Bieber, Civale, Plesac, TMac, Quantrill and Karinchak, Morgan, Sandlin, Clase, Stephan, Hentges.

So far their line looks like:
49.1 IP, 52 H, 41 R, 40 ER, 9 HR, 2 HB, 26 BB, 50 SO for an ERA of 7.30 and WHIP of 1.58.

This is clearly in the "not good" category and actually the other pitchers have a lower ERA. I don't think it's worth getting hysterical about but it's also something to keep an eye on because these are actually the guys who are going to be pitching and they're getting knocked around so far.

I'm going to bookmark this post and save off my Excel file just so that I can refer to it once ST is done and see (hopefully) how much this squad has improved.

BTW, Bieber only pitched 4.2 innings last spring which is a joke of a sample.

Like I said before, I don't think you can look at any one pitcher and say "yeah I'm scared" (TMac would be closest just cause of how much is resting on him), but looking at the whole crew is not exactly inspiring because they average out to that 7.30 ERA and 4.74 BB/9 (IMO the real eye catcher).
 
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How is it even something to keep an eye on though? What reason could we possibly have to suspect that all of our pitchers are suddenly incompetent this year and will all fall off a cliff? How is that statistically possible? The only reasonable conclusion to reach from your data is that it doesn't matter.

OR we are going to see something that is unprecedented in the history of major league baseball. Which seems more likely?
 
Fire Carl Willis now! Before this staff wide travesty occurs
 
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