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I thought about that one, but I am pretty sure Sugastey is Rule 5 eligible in 24 since he was signed in July of 19... Now I could be wrong, but if I am not, we would have a catcher who would be at AA in 24 and AAA in 25, so hence why I went with that deal I posted. I could see Black and Sugastey though...

I also thought about maybe getting Bart then one of the pitchers like Black....
Since Adrian Sugastey signed in 2019 & was under age 19 at the time of the signing, he is eligible for the R5 held in Dec 2023.
It would be the 1st year he is eligible to be taken if not on the team's 40 man roster.

Players did not get an extra pre-R5 eligibility year for the lost Covid season in 2020 or a free year since the R5 was not held due to lockout in 2021.
 
Since Adrian Sugastey signed in 2019 & was under age 19 at the time of the signing, he is eligible for the R5 held in Dec 2023.
It would be the 1st year he is eligible to be taken if not on the team's 40 man roster.

Players did not get an extra pre-R5 eligibility year for the lost Covid season in 2020 or a free year since the R5 was not held due to lockout in 2021.

Okay, so I remembered correctly then...

I am not sure if anyone would exactly take him, but he's a decent enough C prospect that someone could take a chance on him. I don't think trading Freeman for Black and Sugastey is the best return on paper because Sugastey is Rule 5 eligible, but on paper will be twoish years away.

I mean we could always gamble an open spot to try and get someone else into camp...

Going for Arias and Songbird, gave us way more roster flexibility and Songbird just got to AA after getting drafted in 22... So he will start at AA in 24 and isn't rule 5 until 26, which he should be MLB ready on paper way before then. Arias would add another monster potential down the line with Chourio and Francisca... He's also a RH to boot, so that's something we are light on, on paper down there...

Ps. If the Giants wanted Freeman who would you want back if you made him available?
 

Mejia is available! Bring him back?
I might actually prefer him to Haase just because he is younger, but none Mejia, Haase, or Kelly are anything to care about.

It shows that even the Rays lose trades. They currently have nothing to show for the Snell trade.
 
I'll pass on Mejia. Haase is an ideal backup C IMO and if he can rediscover his mojo is a big RH bat off the bench too.
 

Mejia is available! Bring him back?
Negative..

No way....

HARD PASS....

Mejia is not the type of player/ teammate you need to bring into this mix.

Remember multiple CLE coaches/ instructors were happy to see him traded away. Mejia felt he was everything & a bag of chips behind the plate and would not take coaching or movement to other positions when it was clear he did not have the defensive ability to stay behind the dish.

So again... Not in favor of bringing him back.
Let him serve as an example that the way you act & treat others can & does reflect on you & could impact the number of chances you get to remain apart of the game you love.
 
Negative..

No way....

HARD PASS....

Mejia is not the type of player/ teammate you need to bring into this mix.

Remember multiple CLE coaches/ instructors were happy to see him traded away. Mejia felt he was everything & a bag of chips behind the plate and would not take coaching or movement to other positions when it was clear he did not have the defensive ability to stay behind the dish.

So again... Not in favor of bringing him back.
Let him serve as an example that the way you act & treat others can & does reflect on you & could impact the number of chances you get to remain apart of the game you love.
I'd like to play the rest of this season out with Bo and Haase. I think Eric is an ideal match for Bo and he gives us some RH power off the bench if needed. Now clearly he isn't hitting as well this season, but hopefully it's just an off year and he gets back to being who he has always been at the plate.
 
I might actually prefer him to Haase just because he is younger, but none Mejia, Haase, or Kelly are anything to care about.

It shows that even the Rays lose trades. They currently have nothing to show for the Snell trade.
Everyone loses some. They are so impressive because of how many prospect for prospect deals they have won. Those are just on a different level.
 
Everyone loses some. They are so impressive because of how many prospect for prospect deals they have won. Those are just on a different level.

They have a ways to go to catch up with us on WAR accrued via trade since 2010.
 
They have a ways to go to catch up with us on WAR accrued via trade since 2010.
I can see that but arent a lot of our trades situations where we sold off an established vet (and a lot of times a pretty good one) for prospects? I mean you are kinda *suppossed* to get good prospects back in those trades, although ofcourse not everyone does.

They have about 5 or 6 well producing players right now that maybe had one year of experience or less when they got them and they traded a player of similar status for them. Their player exploded and the other guy flopped. Thats why I say its on another level
 
I can see that but arent a lot of our trades situations where we sold off an established vet (and a lot of times a pretty good one) for prospects? I mean you are kinda *suppossed* to get good prospects back in those trades, although ofcourse not everyone does.

They have about 5 or 6 well producing players right now that maybe had one year of experience or less when they got them and they traded a player of similar status for them. Their player exploded and the other guy flopped. Thats why I say its on another level
Yep the kind of trades that the Cleveland FO have made, generally have been trading concentrated short term value for more spread out long term value. There is a large premium on that concentrated short term value, so measuring the WAR without a leverage adjustment (getting the value when it matters) on it does no favors.
 
@Mott the Hoople I ended up creating this idea with the response I had to you in a different thread... @Gson @CDAV45 always gotta get your opinions as well lol


Let's see here...

Cleveland gets
MIF/OF Jordan Westburg (Bal)
1-2 prospects from Marlins 23 signing/drafting class (Fabian Lopez maybe?)

@Tondo was there anyone you really liked from the Marlins draft/signing class of 23 outside the top couple pitchers they got in the draft)

Marlins get
MIF Freeman (Cle)
OF Valera (Cle)

Orioles get
SP Max Meyer (Mia)
RP Soriano (Mia)

Essentially Cleveland gets a solid RH bat to mix in with the heavy LH organization. Westburg brings in the thump from the right side and likely will end up changing from 2B to being a 1B/RF type of guy. He's a guy who can get you 10-15 SBs per person while doing 50-60 extra base hits... I think he would be a good mix in the teams lineup. Then creating a roster space, while getting long term prospects, keeps the organization flowing with solid prospects...

Marlins do this, since they need more hitting... Valera and Freeman make sense to bring back... Arraez to 1B... Freeman to 2B, Chisholm back to SS... While Burger is at 3B.. Then Valera gets an OF spot...

Now the trade would hinge upon Meyer's medicals, but he was a top 50 prospect before the injury and still has been a top 100 prospect, hence why a second arm of some type will go back to Baltimore. This adds a long term arm that Baltimore badly needs...

Thoughts?
 
@Mott the Hoople I ended up creating this idea with the response I had to you in a different thread... @Gson @CDAV45 always gotta get your opinions as well lol


Let's see here...

Cleveland gets
MIF/OF Jordan Westburg (Bal)
1-2 prospects from Marlins 23 signing/drafting class (Fabian Lopez maybe?)

@Tondo was there anyone you really liked from the Marlins draft/signing class of 23 outside the top couple pitchers they got in the draft)

Marlins get
MIF Freeman (Cle)
OF Valera (Cle)

Orioles get
SP Max Meyer (Mia)
RP Soriano (Mia)

Essentially Cleveland gets a solid RH bat to mix in with the heavy LH organization. Westburg brings in the thump from the right side and likely will end up changing from 2B to being a 1B/RF type of guy. He's a guy who can get you 10-15 SBs per person while doing 50-60 extra base hits... I think he would be a good mix in the teams lineup. Then creating a roster space, while getting long term prospects, keeps the organization flowing with solid prospects...

Marlins do this, since they need more hitting... Valera and Freeman make sense to bring back... Arraez to 1B... Freeman to 2B, Chisholm back to SS... While Burger is at 3B.. Then Valera gets an OF spot...

Now the trade would hinge upon Meyer's medicals, but he was a top 50 prospect before the injury and still has been a top 100 prospect, hence why a second arm of some type will go back to Baltimore. This adds a long term arm that Baltimore badly needs...

Thoughts?
I see the concept. I just don't know about the execution. Westburg seems more if an IF without much experience in the OF. Also, I may be one of the few guys that still think Valera has a pretty decent ceiling.
 
I see the concept. I just don't know about the execution. Westburg seems more if an IF without much experience in the OF. Also, I may be one of the few guys that still think Valera has a pretty decent ceiling.

Westburg has always been an IF, but dabble in the OF in the last year or so... Norby has gotten more OF time though...

Edit: I am not saying Valera is not a possibility, but I feel like we need to get a right hander with pop that has a better MLB chance than the likes of OGonz and J Rodriquez... I feel like Westburg could be that guy...
 
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