Andre Drummond - LeBron's Robin

[1B4IGO]

There’s got to be a team out there for Drummond. I’d trade him for an ending contract and keep McGee.

 

[rastamon87]

Nothing like watching Drummond doing dribbling wizardry and scoop shots ala-Kyrie....

50% aggravation and 50% comic relief, lol

 

[BigZ94]

I see a lot of people saying that Drummond doesn’t fit this era of basketball, but think about it does he fit any era? The reason Drummond is able to post the stats he does is because he’s the biggest and most athletically gifted big man in a league that has gone small.

He has NO post game, and a shitty touch around the basket. I think he would would have been even worse in the 80s/90s/00s. He simply has no moves, the only time he looks good is when he posts up smaller guys and can bully them to the basket.

What the Hell would he have done against Hakeem, Robinson, Ewing, Shaq, Tim Duncan etc etc?

I still can’t believe there are people defending this guy after last nights game. Think we had like 7/8 wasted possessions of Drummond post ups.

Also to those saying Sexton doesn’t use his screens. Well sorry to inform you his screens are PATHETIC. Also he NEVER sets off ball screen.

There was one play last night where Cedi was waving for him to go set a screen on Sexton, he shook his Head demanded the ball in the high post, got the ball, waved Sexton off, then went one v one and just did a basic repeat of his comical turnover vs the Grizzlies.

Fuck this big pussy honestly. I’m estatic we got the win without him so his pathetic ass could just sit on the bench and watch.

 

[BankShot]

If Drummond could choose between getting his numbers on the worst team in the league and being an important role player on a team that 3-peats, I think we know which he'd pick.

Which is a huge shame, he could be a Ben Wallace or Dennis Rodman type game changer if he wanted to be.

Someone close to him needs to get him to take a good look into the mirror and decide what he wants to be known for.

 

[Wham with the Right Hand]

He's not good in the low post with his back to the basket but when he faces up from the foul line or about 15' out and uses that cross-over dribble from right to left against slower bigs he's having success. When he tries to back down his man and shoot off a spin move is where he gets in trouble.

He's starting to remind me of a bigger Tristan Thompson who wants to shoot the ball 30 times a game.

I think he could be fine getting the ball at the free throw line and either driving for a layup or shooting that one-handed push shot from 12'. He could also be devastating on lobs off the pick-and-roll. But yeah, when he tries backing down his man, spinning, pump faking, etc he's a turnover, blocked shot, or ugly airball waiting to happen.

He also has a bad habit of falling down when missing a shot, leading to a 5-on-4 transition for the opponent. It looks like he's flopping to try and draw the foul call.

It was disturbing to see him standing there with an expressionless look on his face while Garland and Love were going nuts after Sexton hit the three that sent the game to OT.

The cup half full approach is to hope that he sees that his career is at a crossroads. He got dumped by the Pistons for "scraps". He's in the final year of his contract. He knows (or should know) that if he wastes too many possessions by forcing bad shots that he'll lose even more playing time to Allen or even McGee. He's playing for his next contract and sitting on the bench won't help at all. He needs to do whatever JBB wants him to do in order to keep getting significant minutes.

The Pistons didn't want him. If the Cavs don't want him either I doubt there will be anybody willing to shell out the kind of money he's looking for.

Let's not overreact to that 33 point, 23 rebound game or last night's game where he was benched. Neither of those are typical. He's an 18 and 15 guy who is in the top five in the league in both rebounding and defense, both of which are valuable skills.

According to cleaningtheglass.com his usage rate is in the 98th percentile of centers while his points per shot attempt is in the 10th percentile. The first number needs to come way down while the second needs to go way up if he's to keep getting significant minutes.

I'll say this, though. He's in the 83rd percentile among centers in assist percentage. He's a good passer. He had a beautiful bounce pass to Cedi last night on a give-and-go and he also had that pass to Okoro for the game winner against the Knicks. You can't be as selfish as people think he is and be among the best in the league at assists for your position.

 

[weepinwillow]

my former Cavs comp for how Drummond plays is Fat Kemp minus the mid range jumper. The image is an athletic beast in the middle.. the reality is he needs 4 seconds on the shot clock to get off a dunk attempt given his wind up. It's surprising how below the-rim he actually plays.

 

[kidduck]

He's not good in the low post with his back to the basket but when he faces up from the foul line or about 15' out and uses that cross-over dribble from right to left against slower bigs he's having success. When he tries to back down his man and shoot off a spin move is where he gets in trouble.

He's starting to remind me of a bigger Tristan Thompson who wants to shoot the ball 30 times a game.

I think he could be fine getting the ball at the free throw line and either driving for a layup or shooting that one-handed push shot from 12'. He could also be devastating on lobs off the pick-and-roll. But yeah, when he tries backing down his man, spinning, pump faking, etc he's a turnover, blocked shot, or ugly airball waiting to happen.

He also has a bad habit of falling down when missing a shot, leading to a 5-on-4 transition for the opponent. It looks like he's flopping to try and draw the foul call.

It was disturbing to see him standing there with an expressionless look on his face while Garland and Love were going nuts after Sexton hit the three that sent the game to OT.

The cup half full approach is to hope that he sees that his career is at a crossroads. He got dumped by the Pistons for "scraps". He's in the final year of his contract. He knows (or should know) that if he wastes too many possessions by forcing bad shots that he'll lose even more playing time to Allen or even McGee. He's playing for his next contract and sitting on the bench won't help at all. He needs to do whatever JBB wants him to do in order to keep getting significant minutes.

The Pistons didn't want him. If the Cavs don't want him either I doubt there will be anybody willing to shell out the kind of money he's looking for.

Let's not overreact to that 33 point, 23 rebound game or last night's game where he was benched. Neither of those are typical. He's an 18 and 15 guy who is in the top five in the league in both rebounding and defense, both of which are valuable skills.

According to cleaningtheglass.com his usage rate is in the 98th percentile of centers while his points per shot attempt is in the 10th percentile. The first number needs to come way down while the second needs to go way up if he's to keep getting significant minutes.

I'll say this, though. He's in the 83rd percentile among centers in assist percentage. He's a good passer. He had a beautiful bounce pass to Cedi last night on a give-and-go and he also had that pass to Okoro for the game winner against the Knicks. You can't be as selfish as people think he is and be among the best in the league at assists for your position.

That flopping/falling down is one of the things that irk me most about him. Add in his POS look at the closest
ref and it is just pathetic.

 

[ansatsusha80]

That flopping/falling down is one of the things that irk me most about him. Add in his POS look at the closest
ref and it is just pathetic.

Not only does he flop down,sometimes,he just stand there hoping he get a long pass for an easy basketball....

 

[Randolphkeys]

I am still of the belief that Drummond is a fascinating reclamation project.

This has a lot to do with my appreciation of what the NBA used to be before rule changes took the ball out of the big man's hands and facilitated skilled perimeter play. However, just because Drummond has the size of a true center doesn't mean he cannot adapt to what the NBA rewards offensively.

This is a critical week. Drummond is going to watch Allen help the team win. Can he apply what he is seeing to his own game, knowing he needs to hit the free agent market this summer?

It reminds me of a critical year Lamar Odom spent in Miami with a young Dwayne Wade and Caron Butler. Odom wanted to keep playing the style he played with the Clippers, but it just wasn't a good offense. The offense had to go through Wade, and he was slow checking his own ego. Eventually, that led to Odom and Butler leaving for the Lakers, where he learned under Phil how to play a team concept as a role player.

 

[Kouki]

Yep. If he drops a bit of weight I think he would be better overall...finishing above the rim, even dribble drives.

One thing about the posting up is that it may be by design to keep us fresher defensively.

 

[Kiddo]

Yep. If he drops a bit of weight I think he would be better overall...finishing above the rim, even dribble drives.

One thing about the posting up is that it may be by design to keep us fresher defensively.

I think losing weight would definitely make him quicker, so often last night he tried to jump only to have Jordan stuff it in over his head.

 

[Cavatt]

I see a lot of people saying that Drummond doesn’t fit this era of basketball, but think about it does he fit any era? The reason Drummond is able to post the stats he does is because he’s the biggest and most athletically gifted big man in a league that has gone small.

He has NO post game, and a shitty touch around the basket. I think he would would have been even worse in the 80s/90s/00s. He simply has no moves, the only time he looks good is when he posts up smaller guys and can bully them to the basket.

What the Hell would he have done against Hakeem, Robinson, Ewing, Shaq, Tim Duncan etc etc?

I still can’t believe there are people defending this guy after last nights game. Think we had like 7/8 wasted possessions of Drummond post ups.

Also to those saying Sexton doesn’t use his screens. Well sorry to inform you his screens are PATHETIC. Also he NEVER sets off ball screen.

There was one play last night where Cedi was waving for him to go set a screen on Sexton, he shook his Head demanded the ball in the high post, got the ball, waved Sexton off, then went one v one and just did a basic repeat of his comical turnover vs the Grizzlies.

Fuck this big pussy honestly. I’m estatic we got the win without him so his pathetic ass could just sit on the bench and watch.

Agree on Driummond setting screens. I was referring to the fact now that we have Allen and he sets good screens, Collin is still moving away from teh screen to get some separation. He shoudln't do that with Allen.

Yeah Drummond should be one of the best screen setters, and he almost never makes contact.

Drummond drawing fouls makes absolutely no sense. Don't try it, it is worthless, and if you take a shot, you better damn well attempt for it to go in.

I am excited about Allen because he can now be used in the way he was last night to curtail Drummond's worst impulses the way TT was last year to close games.

Yes, McGee has been good, but he is not a threat to playing time the way Allen is because he is just not that dynamic. Good defensively, but has similar trouble finishing like Drummond does.

Allen was switching, blocking, finishing and cleaning up bad offensive possessions with putbacks. In fact he was displaying the type of game everyone wishes Drummond had.

They had to lean heavily on Drummond while the Guards were out and it worked in just a couple of those games. I will say that Bickerstaff is getting Drummond to drive more from baseline and top of the key which is better than his post ups.

Drummond has to wise up or he will start losing even more playing time. I love love that Bickerstaff pulled him after that ridiculous scoop shot and just sat him. That is tough to do after he had a 30 20 game, it just is. That was ballsy coaching, and it will pay dividends unless Drummond wants to totally tank his value.

 

[Lee]

Actually, the problem with that trade is that Toronto's GM almost certainly isn't smoking meth. Unless he is, that trade never happens.

Why does it have to be meth? I feel crack, opioids, extasy and a whole host of drugs would do this.

 

[MirORich]

The fact that it is his contract year could be an impediment in getting him to come to terms on his ideal role, in terms of both minutes and the things he does while on the court. It is too bad, he has enough of the right stuff and can do enough of the right stuff to be a plus player. But he can’t or won’t help himself from trying to do more than he should, which turns him into an anchor weight at times.

 

[ansatsusha80]