Baker Mayfield: Fire The Cannons

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

I mean, DHop is great.

Trading him opened up more than just a talent hole at WR, although Watson actually improved YoY statistically.

McNair and Easterby have HUGE culture issues they need to face, that speaks more to the volatility than anything they lost from a talent perspective. Team is nearing a full on mutiny.

Unpopular opinion... I think Watson is a little overrated.

I think that the Texans (and, in particular, their defense) were so bad this year that some of Watson's numbers look better. Obviously I'm not comparing him to Bortles, but a similar thing happened when the Jaguars were bad--the numbers for the QB look good, because he's playing in low pressure situations where offenses are passing more, and defenses are giving up more.

I think Baker is a more accurate QB, a better decision maker in the pocket, and more capable of keeping an offense on-schedule and in-rhythm. I think Watson's athleticism is crazy, and he has a similar propensity to what Aaron Rodgers did for a few years, where he all-too-often tries for a terrific play, and passes up the offense's chances to make a good play.

All of this doesn't matter though, because the Browns aren't trading for him.

 

[Lee]

Unpopular opinion... I think Watson is a little overrated.

I think that the Texans (and, in particular, their defense) were so bad this year that some of Watson's numbers look better. Obviously I'm not comparing him to Bortles, but a similar thing happened when the Jaguars were bad--the numbers for the QB look good, because he's playing in low pressure situations where offenses are passing more, and defenses are giving up more.

I think Baker is a more accurate QB, a better decision maker in the pocket, and more capable of keeping an offense on-schedule and in-rhythm. I think Watson's athleticism is crazy, and he has a similar propensity to what Aaron Rodgers did for a few years, where he all-too-often tries for a terrific play, and passes up the offense's chances to make a good play.

All of this doesn't matter though, because the Browns aren't trading for him.

I actually 100% agree and was saying it in my own way that Mayfield isn't that far off of Watson.

Also, something I didn't say but I think Mayfield is a better qb under pressure and will improve in that area. Not Brees or Peyton elite, but he is young. I actually think Mayfield is the better qb for this team. He is the leader, he is fantastic with play action pass, great under pressure, and we saw with our own eyes he responds very well to Stefanski's coaching, maybe Watson could be all those things too, but we know Mayfield already is those things.

 

[Deep Pockets]

I actually 100% agree and was saying it in my own way that Mayfield isn't that far off of Watson.

Also, something I didn't say but I think Mayfield is a better qb under pressure and will improve in that area. Not Brees or Peyton elite, but he is young. I actually think Mayfield is the better qb for this team. He is the leader, he is fantastic with play action pass, great under pressure, and we saw with our own eyes he responds very well to Stefanski's coaching, maybe Watson could be all those things too, but we know Mayfield already is those things.

I think we're set QB 100% on board with Baker and what he means to this offense and the culture...that said, if I'm trading with Houston it's for Watt. I know he's on the wrong side of his prime but he would only add to the already building culture here and if had for the right price could take SOME not all pressure off Myles

Hard pass on Watson. Too happy with what we have already

 

[CBBI]

Not trying to stir up shit, but Barnwell might as well be screaming BAKER MAYFIELD with this tweet.

 

[Sebastian]

Not trying to stir up shit, but Barnwell might as well be screaming BAKER MAYFIELD with this tweet.

Probably. Maybe he has a little point. However...

At this point the price for Watson is so prohibitive that any thought of trade is moot.

 

[bob2the2nd]

Not trying to stir up shit, but Barnwell might as well be screaming BAKER MAYFIELD with this tweet.

I think he is pointing at lamar jackson and josh allen a lot more than Baker.

Baker has now been in 3 systems in 3 years, and still put up some of the best passing numbers (top 10) of any QB through their first 3 years.

Allen and Jackson have had literal systems built around them

 

[natedagg]

I can’t understand why anyone would consider getting rid of Baker. This is only the beginning. You lock that shit up now for a max length contract and never look back.

He is really getting good at doing all of the game management stuff. His year was thrown off by the new offense and bad weather games. You have to lock this down for as long as possible now. Please do not give this guy another year behind this dominant line and with these skill positions, and another year to practice, coming off of a loss to the Chiefs in a game that we should have won. Don’t do it.

I am too lazy to look it up but we have leverage now bc he can restructure so we can bake that into the contract. Can we get him for 5/125 or 5/150? How does this work?

 

[CBBI]

Please do not give this guy another year behind this dominant line and with these skill positions, and another year to practice, coming off of a loss to the Chiefs in a game that we should have won. Don’t do it.

You're unintentionally making Barnwell's point for him.

Yes, Baker did have a lot of success in 2020. We know he can succeed with a dominant OL, dominant RB group and capably above average skill guys at WR/TE because he just did it.

He also did it with a cap hit of just $9M dollars. When he starts making $35-40M per season, that's a lot less money to spend on the rest of the roster.

What happens if Nick Harris can't capably replace JC Tretter? Over the next 1-2 seasons it's very likely the Browns end up having to replace Teller, Landry, Beckham, Hooper and possibly others. We all know the draft is an inexact science and no one bats 1.000, so what happens if they miss on a few picks and don't have capable cheap replacements on these key veterans when the time comes to move on from them?

Is Baker Mayfield so good individually that he'll be able to overcome the inevitable loss of talented players around him on offense? We all want that to be the case, but it does feel like a justifiable question for someone like Barnwell to ask if it actually is the case.

 

[Surge]

You're unintentionally making Barnwell's point for him.

Yes, Baker did have a lot of success in 2020. We know he can succeed with a dominant OL, dominant RB group and capably above average skill guys at WR/TE because he just did it.

He also did it with a cap hit of just $9M dollars. When he starts making $35-40M per season, that's a lot less money to spend on the rest of the roster.

What happens if Nick Harris can't capably replace JC Tretter? Over the next 1-2 seasons it's very likely the Browns end up having to replace Teller, Landry, Beckham, Hooper and possibly others. We all know the draft is an inexact science and no one bats 1.000, so what happens if they miss on a few picks and don't have capable cheap replacements on these key veterans when the time comes to move on from them?

Is Baker Mayfield so good individually that he'll be able to overcome the inevitable loss of talented players around him on offense? We all want that to be the case, but it does feel like a justifiable question for someone like Barnwell to ask if it actually is the case.

Its a question to ask, for sure. But is there any qb that can lift a team lacking talent around them? Prime Aaron Rodgers maybe? Brady did a couple of times. Everyone crowning Watson a top 5 qb but he couldn't do it last year.

Its tough to find anyone that can drag a team like that.

I don't think Baker needs Pro Bowl Wr's and tight ends to flourish. Higgins, Peoples-Jones, and Njoku come to mind. Its awesome to have Landry and OBJ but I think you could trim some salary cap there and keep the running backs and OL happy.

 

[JDailey23]

I think he is pointing at lamar jackson and josh allen a lot more than Baker.

Baker has now been in 3 systems in 3 years, and still put up some of the best passing numbers (top 10) of any QB through their first 3 years.

Allen and Jackson have had literal systems built around them

I agree with this. Why I hoped Daboll and the Ravens guy whose name I forgot would have moved up in the world.

 

[bubba52782]

 

[Lee]

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I know this is a kind of annoying thing to say as its not quantifiable, but Baker just has an it factor. Confidence, relatable, always the under dog, us against the world. You wont find it in a QBR or stat sheet, you cant put your finger on it, and it 100% does lead to some wins.

I just think short of Mahommes, there really isn't anyone in the league I trade Mayfield for. Rodgers is older, Brees is retiring this year or next, Brady is amazing, and somehow in his 10th SB, but he is also 44 next year.

Nope, Baker is my guy. The team loves him, he wins despite the issues around (lately they are created issues in his head to motivate), and I wish I could explain that thing, but those who know what I am talking about understand.

 

[col63onel]

If you got 40 minutes to kill

 

[Vee-Rex]

Baker Next Gen 2020 vs. 2019

 

[Lee]

Baker Next Gen 2020 vs. 2019
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I would also be curious to see same chart from 2020 first half vs 2nd half.