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Baker Mayfield: Fire The Cannons

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Out of the Rafters at the Q said:
Nope.

You don't get to stalk people because they're famous.

Take this as her publicly asking everyone to stop doing it. She certainly has a right to feel safe when she goes for a run.
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Lol, at any other answer. She is barely famous, doesnt have people around her, just live her alone, let her live her life.

Do you really want the Wife of a qb's signature? Get a life people and leave Emily Baker alone.
 
bronko said:
While she has a point and I certainly will keep it mind, she also decided to make herself a public figure by doing TV with Baker, so some loss of privacy sort of goes with the territory. She comes off sort of whiny to me. And I'm not excusing cretinous behavior, just surprised she's not better at dealing with it.
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Yeah idk man. Following her is off limits. Saying hi or wishing Baker luck or whatever would be appropriate. Stalking her when she's in public is inappropriate.
 
Can someone summarize what her post was about? She went for a run and some creep-o followed her?! Looks like she took the post down now.

Edit: Disregard. My laptop was messed up.
 
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As inconvenient and shitty as it is, given her status as a recognizable figure, I do think she should at least consider only running with a friend or having a security person with her when she wants to run solo.

Really terrible that she would even have to consider that, but it might be wise.
 
Mike Sando of The Athletic released his annual QB Tiers article ($). For those unfamiliar, he polls 50 coaches/executives around the NFL who submit their rankings of 34 veteran QBs. Mayfield was placed in Tier 3 and ended up ranked 17th.

theathletic.com

2021 NFL Quarterback Tiers: 50 coaches and evaluators rank the league’s starters

The eighth annual rankings find two quarterbacks above all others and the oldest player in the game returning to the top echelon.
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TIER 3​

A Tier 3 quarterback is a legitimate starter but needs a heavier running game and/or defensive component to win. A lower-volume dropback passing offense suits him best.

17. Baker Mayfield​

Tier 2 votes: 17 | Tier 3 votes: 33 | 2020 Tier: 3

Voters like Mayfield. Most also see the supporting cast and offensive coaching helping him more than the other way around. Dividing credit along those lines makes it tougher for some to place Mayfield in Tier 2.

“Baker is probably in the 2 category, but you don’t really know with him,” an evaluator said. “You know they got a new head coach and they called it right, but they also didn’t do as much as they could have done with a legit QB.”

This evaluator compared Mayfield to prime Cincinnati Andy Dalton, but when Dalton was at his best, in 2015, his Bengals ranked fifth on defense and special teams. Mayfield’s Browns were 24th last season and still went 11-5. A different evaluator put it another way, calling Mayfield more point guard than shooting guard, but a GM called Cleveland the greatest threat to Kansas City in the AFC, thanks in part to Mayfield.

“He does benefit from a great offensive line, he has a great running game, but I do think he makes that thing go,” this GM said. “When Odell (Beckham) got hurt and they started to take off, I think that was because Baker could be more of himself. If you truly are a product of the talent that is out there, and are truly a 3, when you lose an all-pro receiver, your play should tail off. But his play improved when they relied on him to use other weapons.”

The schedule was a factor. Cleveland played a disproportionate number of games against top defenses early in the season, before Beckham was injured.

“Mayfield can throw an 18-yard deep curl route like it’s a hitch — it’s that easy for him,” a former offensive coordinator said. “The problem just comes in with the vision sometimes. He’s so accurate, and I think he’s settled down. They didn’t give him the contract yet, so they got the leash tight and should get the best of him — he wants the contract and wants to be thought of in that way. He’s figured it out. It will be about winning, all about ball.”

Mayfield’s 2020 numbers closely resembled 2019 numbers for Cousins: within two completions and 50 yards, with the same number of touchdown passes. Mayfield had two additional interceptions, two fewer sacks, two additional completions longer than 15 yards and a similar EPA per attempt. A common denominator: Browns coach Kevin Stefanski called pays for both.

“I think Baker is more talented than the guys Stefanski had in Minnesota, and then he has the leadership, he is one of the guys and he can extend plays better,” a defensive coordinator said.

Not that “better than Cousins” is necessarily the goal.

“I don’t think they see him as being special in any category,” a former head coach said. “He is good enough because of what they do. Baker has more grit than Cousins, and he is going to play better in critical situations. He’s accurate, but not exceptional.”
 
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NorthCoastBias said:
Mike Sando of The Athletic released his annual QB Tiers article ($). For those unfamiliar, he polls 50 coaches/executives around the NFL who submit their rankings of 34 veteran QBs. Mayfield was placed in Tier 3 and ended up ranked 17th.

theathletic.com

2021 NFL Quarterback Tiers: 50 coaches and evaluators rank the league’s starters

The eighth annual rankings find two quarterbacks above all others and the oldest player in the game returning to the top echelon.
theathletic.com theathletic.com

TIER 3​

A Tier 3 quarterback is a legitimate starter but needs a heavier running game and/or defensive component to win. A lower-volume dropback passing offense suits him best.

17. Baker Mayfield​

Tier 2 votes: 17 | Tier 3 votes: 33 | 2020 Tier: 3

Voters like Mayfield. Most also see the supporting cast and offensive coaching helping him more than the other way around. Dividing credit along those lines makes it tougher for some to place Mayfield in Tier 2.

“Baker is probably in the 2 category, but you don’t really know with him,” an evaluator said. “You know they got a new head coach and they called it right, but they also didn’t do as much as they could have done with a legit QB.”

This evaluator compared Mayfield to prime Cincinnati Andy Dalton, but when Dalton was at his best, in 2015, his Bengals ranked fifth on defense and special teams. Mayfield’s Browns were 24th last season and still went 11-5. A different evaluator put it another way, calling Mayfield more point guard than shooting guard, but a GM called Cleveland the greatest threat to Kansas City in the AFC, thanks in part to Mayfield.

“He does benefit from a great offensive line, he has a great running game, but I do think he makes that thing go,” this GM said. “When Odell (Beckham) got hurt and they started to take off, I think that was because Baker could be more of himself. If you truly are a product of the talent that is out there, and are truly a 3, when you lose an all-pro receiver, your play should tail off. But his play improved when they relied on him to use other weapons.”

The schedule was a factor. Cleveland played a disproportionate number of games against top defenses early in the season, before Beckham was injured.

“Mayfield can throw an 18-yard deep curl route like it’s a hitch — it’s that easy for him,” a former offensive coordinator said. “The problem just comes in with the vision sometimes. He’s so accurate, and I think he’s settled down. They didn’t give him the contract yet, so they got the leash tight and should get the best of him — he wants the contract and wants to be thought of in that way. He’s figured it out. It will be about winning, all about ball.”

Mayfield’s 2020 numbers closely resembled 2019 numbers for Cousins: within two completions and 50 yards, with the same number of touchdown passes. Mayfield had two additional interceptions, two fewer sacks, two additional completions longer than 15 yards and a similar EPA per attempt. A common denominator: Browns coach Kevin Stefanski called pays for both.

“I think Baker is more talented than the guys Stefanski had in Minnesota, and then he has the leadership, he is one of the guys and he can extend plays better,” a defensive coordinator said.

Not that “better than Cousins” is necessarily the goal.

“I don’t think they see him as being special in any category,” a former head coach said. “He is good enough because of what they do. Baker has more grit than Cousins, and he is going to play better in critical situations. He’s accurate, but not exceptional.”
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No matter what you think of the ranking, those quotes are pretty good. I especially liked the "he's more point guard than shooting guard" analogy.
 
Out of the Rafters at the Q said:
No matter what you think of the ranking, those quotes are pretty good. I especially liked the "he's more point guard than shooting guard" analogy.
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Is that somehow meant to be a dig at Baker? Shouldn't all QBs be more PG than SG? Well, except for Lamar...

Either that or I completely misunderstood the analogy.
 
bs80 said:
Is that somehow meant to be a dig at Baker? Shouldn't all QBs be more PG than SG? Well, except for Lamar...

Either that or I completely misunderstood the analogy.
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I don't see it as a dig at all.

I'd call Mahomes more SG than PG. He's more of a shot-taker than someone who orchestrates an offense.
 
Out of the Rafters at the Q said:
I don't see it as a dig at all.

I'd call Mahomes more SG than PG. He's more of a shot-taker than someone who orchestrates an offense.
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I think Lamar jackson is a better example of SG.

Mahomes is like a combo guard, but does both very, very well. Maybe a Lebron James? Yes, i know technically a SF, but Lebron really is a PG.
 
Lee said:
I think Lamar jackson is a better example of SG.

Mahomes is like a combo guard, but does both very, very well. Maybe a Lebron James? Yes, i know technically a SF, but Lebron really is a PG.
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I see it as a playmaker, shot-taker sort of thing. Whereas a PG executes the play as designed, a SG sort of just does his own thing.

Look at Rodgers, and how much he has improved in the past few years once he started being more PG--executing an on-time offense and getting the ball out to good options rather than holding it and waiting for the perfect, big play to come.

For QB's who played like SG's and sucked shit, Wentz last year immediately comes to mind.
 
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