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Baker Mayfield: Fire The Cannons

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I'mWithDan said:
I think at this point, you would only hope for these outcomes.......from a Browns perspective.

1. A more up and down year leads to contract talks being shelved. This releases some pressure on the Browns......and also allows them to operate in a shorter term window where it maybe makes sense to prioritize paying a few key pieces instead of QB. Baker wants to play a "bet on me" year and there is no long term money committed to the QB position.

2. Rodgers wants to come here. He sees the team talent. He sees the sudden opening with Baker faltering and we become a preferred destination. We ship Baker to Green Bay or a 3rd team and we mercenary it with Rodgers while grooming someone.

3. The Seahawks tank and Russ wants to move on. Send them Baker and our 1st, maybe something else and let them blow it up.

Watson is just a non starter for me. Too much unknown.
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Even if you had Rogers or Wilson, if we're playing with 4th string tackles we're going to suck, so you better re-sign every OL and add some decent depth behind them. Why? because as good as Rogers and Wilson are, neither of them has done all that great when their OL sucks. Both of them have some failure on their resumes when they're getting constantly sacked and harassed. Changing the QB changes very little if we had the same OL as we did today protecting them.
 
Triplethreat said:
Guys... we're tied to Baker Mayfield.

We aren't going to be moving on from him. We need to develop him further.
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What is the parallel here? What NFL franchise successfully navigated a situation like this one? Where 4 years in, it is such a shit show mixed bag? What player was making throws like the one to Hollywood today, that eventually became a model of consistency?

The Rams made the mistake already with a QB that was just fine, that they tried to scheme up........and they then had to trade their QB, 2 1sts and a 3rd just to correct the contract mistake.

Relative to how smart our front office has been, to me, there is honestly 0% chance we are living in a world where we are tied to a player as inconsistent as Baker. Just in general. That would go against everything we know about how this front office has assembled talent and made decisions. Now add in the fact we are being faced with potentially paying him $30-40 million a year and I would bet my life a team has been contacted already. Does that mean we are trading him. I mean, no.......but a GM as good as Berry is going to have a contingency plan.....especially considering he didn't draft Baker. What GM in history has tied their future job prospects to a QB that had underperformed this much, that they did not make the decision to acquire? I feel like you aren't being realistic here.
 
NtG said:
Who exactly do you think we're going to move on to? It's not like good QBs are just floating around FA waiting to be signed.
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That is certainly the tougher question and probably the reason we should hope that the contract is mutually shelved.

That at least enters us in to an 18 month or so window where we don't commit long term money to the QB position, maintain some flexibility and can quickly pivot if an opportunity comes up.

Realistically, the only upgrades this off-season are Rodgers (feasible), Wilson (long shot based on Seattle falling apart) or Watson (to me, insanely unlikely).

I think it gets pretty messy if Baker wants an extension this off-season. At that point, I'm not even sure how that would play out. Probably a lot of ugly all around.
 
The issue is we aren't drafting a QB.

And we likely aren't paying the absurd compensation for any other QB.
 
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Triplethreat said:
Guys... we're tied to Baker Mayfield.

We aren't going to be moving on from him. We need to develop him further.
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Baker isn't the guy you want leading a shootout team. He's not Mahomes, Rogers, Brady.. Hell, Brady needed defense for his playoff wins and Superbowls.

Baker pisses me off with some of his misreads, hesitation, dancing around, pump fakes, etc and etc.

He's more of a game manager, strong run game, make a few perfect throws, spreads the ball around, protects the ball besides today. The factors are him not having faith in his line, leads to scrambling and overthinking, and scared to take a hit due to existing injury.

We simply can't play the defense we are playing. The current defensive scheme calls for Baker to play perfect fucking football and he's not your perfect QB.

This defense doesn't give him the ball off turnovers. They do him no favors when he turns it over. They did him no favors the last 2 weeks.

Once again, I'm livid with Baker's play, mainly just seeing the field and missing guys, not throwing the homerun. Takeaway the hail mary prayer of a TD and his numbers are blah.

The Broncos are the perfect team to fix our issues. The next 5 games are very winnable. 8-3 is achievable going into Baltimore and that needs to be the case. (vs Den, vs Pit, @Cin, @NE, vs Det)
 
FiveThous said:
He was one of the top ranked QBase picks to that point. QBase was developed under Sashi and Depodesta, he wasn’t solely a Dorsey pick.
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I get it but he wasn’t fully a pick of our current regime and he’s clearly not working. We ALL want a franchise qb. We haven’t had one in years, but with the general success of qbs, specifically in the AFC we don’t really have the luxury of hoping baker pans out.
 
CBBI said:
We're far enough into Baker's actual NFL career for the QBase pre-draft evaluation stuff to not matter anymore, right?
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I’m also assuming both Allen and Herbert were both horrible in that evaluation and have turned out to be some of the best qbs to come out recently? Maybe in college identifying traits is superior to advanced stats?
 
I’ve seen it said a lot… I’m not sure Baker taking snaps behind Hance and Hudson is evidence that baker can only perform at a high level behind ‘elite’ line play…. I think most QBs in the league would struggle behind those two. Even serviceable backups in there and these are different games. Hell, we watched Baker play damn well behind Hubbard last year.

There’s plenty of other fair criticism to go around with Baker.
 
ZooCrewDude said:
I’ve seen it said a lot… I’m not sure Baker taking snaps behind Hance and Hudson is evidence that baker can only perform at a high level behind ‘elite’ line play…. I think most QBs in the league would struggle behind those two. Even serviceable backups in there and these are different games. Hell, we watched Baker play damn well behind Hubbard last year.

There’s plenty of other fair criticism to go around with Baker.
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Every QB has to learn to adapt to injuries on the offensive line. There was too many times where he hesitated on open throws, scrambled, or held on to the ball too long. He turned it around eventually and got back into some type of rhythm.

He can play behind this line, it's just much harder for him when the run game isn't there to make manageable situations.
 
His left side is gonna take a lot more pounding this year, you can bet on that. There will be no mercy now. We have a problem.
 
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