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Baker Mayfield: Fire The Cannons

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I'mWithDan said:
Let's humor everyone and talk this out.....

Let's just say $35 million for the sake of this discussion.

Above / at that number.....and likely to stay above / at that number:

Mahomes, Allen, Prescott, Watson, Wilson

Below that number......but likely to go above it:

Murray, Burrow, Herbert, Jackson.

So setting aside vets like Rodgers, etc. the Browns are pegging his value around the 10th most valuable young QB.

Would that be a fair statement?
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Thats fair, and who of the 9 young QB's woul dyou not rather have, although I dont want to touch Watson, but that is for off field issues and his contract extension was before those issues came to light.
 
Lee said:
Thats fair, and who of the 9 young QB's woul dyou not rather have, although I dont want to touch Watson, but that is for off field issues and his contract extension was before those issues came to light.
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More so than anything, I think it is a pretty fascinating look on what the Browns peg the value of a QB that is in that #10 young QB range right now. The calculus at the QB position is really tough, which I think (if true), that leaked dollar figure indicates.

I wish I could be a fly on the wall to try to decipher.....

1. Are we trying to capitalize on Baker's dip in play, to ink a touch more team friendly deal?
2. Are we more comfortable paying Baker $35 mil, than we are introducing uncertainty at the position?
3. Do we just unequivocally believe in him and want the contract figured out?

Probably some others that could be added but so curious on how this plays out and if there is any progress on the heels of the injury.
 
sailfish said:
Ugh, I have a bad feeling about that. See Jared Goff & Carson Wentz....
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He has been better than both when healthy under Stefanski. The last 10 games of last season and the first 2 of this season he looked good. If the injury issue the last month doesnt make you think he is being held back because of an injury, then you are right, lets not sign him, despite popular belief, we dont have to make a decision this offseason.

We can let him play his final year for something like 20 million, franchise tag him to work out a deal, then work out that deal in 2023.

Now if Baker accepts the 35 million and we offer it, then fine, have that deal happen this offseason. Baker is the type to gamble on himself, but also this injury might make him realize that the NFL stands for Not For Long (except Brady, lol) and take the deal and half or so guaranteed to secure his future.

I think it will work out.
 
bob2the2nd said:
The difference is each of those 2 signed their deals when the cap was significantly less. We are talking salaries equal to Goff and Wentz and it's been 3 years since those other two signed their contracts
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I'm far from convinced that Baker Mayfield is worthy of a $35M/year contract. The guy has been consistently inconsistent. That type of contract could really handcuff this franchise and it's one we could live to regret.
 
bob2the2nd said:
The difference is each of those 2 signed their deals when the cap was significantly less. We are talking salaries equal to Goff and Wentz and it's been 3 years since those other two signed their contracts
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The dollars are certainly relative, for sure.

If Baker signed at $35 million per year, that would peg him as the #6 QB right now, with extensions of guys like Herbert, Burrow, Jackson, Murray on the horizon. So it is likely Baker would fall to #10 or so in 2-3 years.

Goff was #3 when his extension kicked in. So Baker at #6 is a more reasonable starting point to me. The bigger question is probably if Baker is willing to accept that mid 30's number or if he'd rather just play next year without a guarantee. It is possible his team is looking at slotting and wants to be at least 3rd here, which would slot him near Watson / Dak at more like $40 million. Maybe a touch more.

I suspect, if this was leaked in good faith by the Browns, it is reminding Baker after the injury that "Hey, you want that $35 million a year, we still have it". :chuckle:
 
sailfish said:
I'm far from convinced that Baker Mayfield is worthy of a $35M/year contract. The guy has been consistently inconsistent. That type of contract could really handcuff this franchise and it's one we could live to regret.
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Yes...but it's also one we could look back on and think that we got quite the deal. I don't think expecting Baker to sign a contract based only on him meeting the lower end of projections is realistic.
 
The Human Q-Tip said:
Yes...but it's also one we could look back on and think that we got quite the deal. I don't think expecting Baker to sign a contract based only on him meeting the lower end of projections is realistic.
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$35M is roughly 20% of the salary cap. Baker hasn't shown me that he's the kind of player that is worthy of that type of contract, which is why I say we wait. If he proves himself, fine. Once that deal is signed though there's no undoing it and, unless he proves himself worthy, it will be next to impossible to trade, without attaching draft picks.
 
sailfish said:
$35M is roughly 20% of the salary cap. Baker hasn't shown me that he's the kind of player that is worthy of that type of contract, which is why I say we wait. If he proves himself, fine. Once that deal is signed though there's no undoing it and, unless he proves himself worthy, it will be next to impossible to trade, without attaching draft picks.
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I'm just saying that if he "proves himself", he's not going to settle for $35M.
 
Sounding like Baker is going to be out again this Sunday.

I think it's the right move. At this point, we need to sit him as long as it takes for him to heal. The way he was playing post-injury was not good enough to win a Super Bowl, so rushing him back while still injured makes little to no sense. Yeah it will be tough to continue to win games with Keenum, but our ceiling with an injured Baker is a loss in the Wild Card round, so we need to do what it takes to get him healthy, hopefully in time to still make the Playoffs and make a run.

Really sucks he decided to try tackling after an interception. Dumbass may have thrown away the season for everyone.
 
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