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Ben Simmons: He’s who the people want.

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Would you mortgage your future for Simmons?

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Gregg Pop-a-Bitch said:
Lmaoo this is why I don't take the opinions of armchair Gm's on this site seriously anymore. How could an perennial 1st team all defense player and arguably the best perimeter defender in the NBA and a top 5 playmaker who's only 25 years old be the worst contract in the league?? :celb (13):
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It's not the worst but is in the top 5. Wall's is worse and I'd argue Westbrook's is close, but 35 million a year for a guy you cannot play in the final moments of a close game and who is afraid to attempt a layup is pretty bad.
Could we use Simmons for the next week? For sure. The problem is after that he's an awful fit. The offense has been based on drives to the hoop with lobs to Allen or Mobley and dishes to others for open threes. Put Simmons into that equation and the spacing collapses, the lobs disappear as there's another defender near the basket and Garland now finds a crowded lane when he drives. Simmons would work well on a team like the Warriors with great shooting in need of a defensive play making wing, in fact he'd be the perfect replacement for Draymond. We don't have the shooting and already have a play maker so what's the point?.
 
cavsfever said:
Simmons isn’t just a skill set in a vacuum. He is a head case who has shown the willingness to blow up his team, refuse to play, refuse to work on the flaws in his game, and in general act as a destructive force to a good team that showed him all kinds of loyalty. Can’t believe people here want to give a max to a ticking time bomb like that.

Also, he is untradeable- have people not been watching the Sixers try and fail to trade him for months now? So he’s a huge risk in that sense too. You get him, you’re not getting rid of him.
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Loyalty? Are we going to leave out his coach, GM, fellow star player, and the entire fan base publicly trashing him? Can you honestly say you’d want to play for a team that showed you that kind of loyalty?

This story gets very skewed. Simmons definitely has his faults in this, but let’s not ignore some key points.

The story could very easily be written like this:

Simmons had an awful playoff run. Hurt? Team chemistry issues? Playcalling? He gets publicly called out by the above mentioned group. He QUIETLY made a trade request and, at least as far as I can remember, didn’t say anything negatively about anyone in the process. Morey set the price tag so high that he essentially refuses to trade him. The Sixers won’t pay him and force him to show up to a completely toxic situation. He shows up and his teammates won’t acknowledge him. His coach wants him to do drills that Simmons didn’t feel were in his best interest and then embarrasses him by sending him home.

Now obviously that’s a super one sided slant, but it’s my attempt to show how the opposite equally slanted take has really taken over public perception.

Also, he is very clearly not untradeable. That’s silly. He hasn’t been traded because Morey has been unreasonable. There are many many teams, including our own Cavs, who have made offers for Simmons.
 
2 For The Brew said:
Yeah, and LeBron would be thrilled to have Ben’s shooting and spacing for the next 3 2/3 seasons. Actually I’d love to see Simmons for Westbrook to completely frustrate LeBron.
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If you thought Rich Paul had the Lakers by the balls before. Unprecedented. 3 max players, all the same agent, all the same team.

I want this to happen for the guaranteed ensuing hilarity.
 
B Mac said:
Loyalty? Are we going to leave out his coach, GM, fellow star player, and the entire fan base publicly trashing him? Can you honestly say you’d want to play for a team that showed you that kind of loyalty?

This story gets very skewed. Simmons definitely has his faults in this, but let’s not ignore some key points.

The story could very easily be written like this:

Simmons had an awful playoff run. Hurt? Team chemistry issues? Playcalling? He gets publicly called out by the above mentioned group. He QUIETLY made a trade request and, at least as far as I can remember, didn’t say anything negatively about anyone in the process. Morey set the price tag so high that he essentially refuses to trade him. The Sixers won’t pay him and force him to show up to a completely toxic situation. He shows up and his teammates won’t acknowledge him. His coach wants him to do drills that Simmons didn’t feel were in his best interest and then embarrasses him by sending him home.

Now obviously that’s a super one sided slant, but it’s my attempt to show how the opposite equally slanted take has really taken over public perception.

Also, he is very clearly not untradeable. That’s silly. He hasn’t been traded because Morey has been unreasonable. There are many many teams, including our own Cavs, who have made offers for Simmons.
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It could definitely be read like that.

You could also read Mein Kampf as a superhero origin story by a guy who just wasn’t a fan of a particular group of people.
 
B Mac said:
Loyalty? Are we going to leave out his coach, GM, fellow star player, and the entire fan base publicly trashing him? Can you honestly say you’d want to play for a team that showed you that kind of loyalty?

This story gets very skewed. Simmons definitely has his faults in this, but let’s not ignore some key points.

The story could very easily be written like this:

Simmons had an awful playoff run. Hurt? Team chemistry issues? Playcalling? He gets publicly called out by the above mentioned group. He QUIETLY made a trade request and, at least as far as I can remember, didn’t say anything negatively about anyone in the process. Morey set the price tag so high that he essentially refuses to trade him. The Sixers won’t pay him and force him to show up to a completely toxic situation. He shows up and his teammates won’t acknowledge him. His coach wants him to do drills that Simmons didn’t feel were in his best interest and then embarrasses him by sending him home.

Now obviously that’s a super one sided slant, but it’s my attempt to show how the opposite equally slanted take has really taken over public perception.

Also, he is very clearly not untradeable. That’s silly. He hasn’t been traded because Morey has been unreasonable. There are many many teams, including our own Cavs, who have made offers for Simmons.
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Everything you stated above is likely true.
However, Simmons didn’t own his historic failure; his feelings got hurt and instead of owning it he tried to take his ball and go home.
That’s the reality of his situation. The problem he has is Morey is more stubborn and isn’t giving in to him.
This kid may sit out a year, or until the sixers ownership grows tired of wasting a year on their GMs pride.
 
80BADB29-160A-4740-9797-CC58A15FE04C.jpegIt’s gonna happen. I hate to give up Windler’s number but I think Windler will be working at CVS within the year.

I’m preparing myself…

 
B Mac said:
Loyalty? Are we going to leave out his coach, GM, fellow star player, and the entire fan base publicly trashing him? Can you honestly say you’d want to play for a team that showed you that kind of loyalty?

This story gets very skewed. Simmons definitely has his faults in this, but let’s not ignore some key points.

The story could very easily be written like this:

Simmons had an awful playoff run. Hurt? Team chemistry issues? Playcalling? He gets publicly called out by the above mentioned group. He QUIETLY made a trade request and, at least as far as I can remember, didn’t say anything negatively about anyone in the process. Morey set the price tag so high that he essentially refuses to trade him. The Sixers won’t pay him and force him to show up to a completely toxic situation. He shows up and his teammates won’t acknowledge him. His coach wants him to do drills that Simmons didn’t feel were in his best interest and then embarrasses him by sending him home.

Now obviously that’s a super one sided slant, but it’s my attempt to show how the opposite equally slanted take has really taken over public perception.

Also, he is very clearly not untradeable. That’s silly. He hasn’t been traded because Morey has been unreasonable. There are many many teams, including our own Cavs, who have made offers for Simmons.
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Actually his teammates offered to fly out and meet him in Cali and Ben refused.

The "calling out" and "publicly trashing" Ben were the comments right after Game 7 by Doc and Embiid. Both tried very hard to walk that back and Embiid very publicly tweeted his support of Ben throughout the summer. Ben's pathetic performance (he quit to be honest) was before the comments by Doc and Joel. That performance wasn't an anomoly; he's been run out of playoff games because he can't shoot FTs.

Whoever wants a max contract non shooting guard can have him.
 
B Mac said:
Loyalty? Are we going to leave out his coach, GM, fellow star player, and the entire fan base publicly trashing him? Can you honestly say you’d want to play for a team that showed you that kind of loyalty?
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When everyone else is the problem, you’re the problem.

Yes, a bit reductive - but what’s more likely? He’s been treated unfairly by all key people on his team, or he’s such an asshole that his team hates him?
 
My last piece on Simmons is this..........

Without baggage, a player with his talent and skill would generally never be available. And if he were, the price would be so exorbitant, it wouldn't even be worth a conversation.

Now, that isn't always a good reason to acquire someone but it does seem to be a point a lot of people are missing here. Accepting some risk is how you generally win more consequential trades. If you don't want to take the risk.....fine.....that is one thing.......but we have started getting a little too hyperbolic on the skill of the actual available player here. There's no doubt, to me, Simmons would make us a better team. Anyone saying otherwise is not being honest with themselves IMO.
 
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