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Rather have Vernon than Clowney.

Only thing is Vernon gobbles up a lot of money to not play.

While we're on the defensive front topic...

Unpopular opinion, or at least one I haven't seen here: I didn't like S. Richardson all that much this past year, and would be fine with replacing him soon.

Often didn't get the stops we needed close enough to the line, and got injured at key times.

Getting a head injury against a sideline heater, for instance, was yet another nail in the coffin of our defense when it was really starting to struggle post-Myles.
 
Only thing is Vernon gobbles up a lot of money to not play.

While we're on the defensive front topic...

Unpopular opinion, or at least one I haven't seen here: I didn't like S. Richardson all that much this past year, and would be fine with replacing him soon.

Often didn't get the stops we needed close enough to the line, and got injured at key times.

Getting a head injury against a sideline heater, for instance, was yet another nail in the coffin of our defense when it was really starting to struggle post-Myles.

It would be a pretty big upset if Richardson is on the roster in 2021. The Browns will be able to save 12M by cutting him after this season. Feels inevitable he's gone.

Getting some quality DL prospects in this year's draft and next year's draft is going to be critical because Vernon, Ogunjobi and Billings are all free agents to be and Richardson is almost surely gone too.

The problem is there are still more holes on the roster than there are draft picks to address them.

The Browns obviously need a left tackle more than any other position right now. So that is likely what their first round pick is going to be either 10th or in a trade back.

Unless they are secretly really sold on Takitaki or Redwine (which they shouldn't be in either case), they likely need to address LB and S early.

So where are they going to find DE and DT on top of also needing LT, S, LB too?

It probably can't all be addressed in one offseason.
 
It would be a pretty big upset if Richardson is on the roster in 2021. The Browns will be able to save 12M by cutting him after this season. Feels inevitable he's gone.

Getting some quality DL prospects in this year's draft and next year's draft is going to be critical because Vernon, Ogunjobi and Billings are all free agents to be and Richardson is almost surely gone too.

The problem is there are still more holes on the roster than there are draft picks to address them.

The Browns obviously need a left tackle more than any other position right now. So that is likely what their first round pick is going to be either 10th or in a trade back.

Unless they are secretly really sold on Takitaki or Redwine (which they shouldn't be in either case), they likely need to address LB and S early.

So where are they going to find DE and DT on top of also needing LT, S, LB too?

It probably can't all be addressed in one offseason.

Need to find a trade for an up and comer.

Look to a few bloated salary-capped teams that underperform this season.
 
It would be a pretty big upset if Richardson is on the roster in 2021. The Browns will be able to save 12M by cutting him after this season. Feels inevitable he's gone.

Getting some quality DL prospects in this year's draft and next year's draft is going to be critical because Vernon, Ogunjobi and Billings are all free agents to be and Richardson is almost surely gone too.

The problem is there are still more holes on the roster than there are draft picks to address them.

The Browns obviously need a left tackle more than any other position right now. So that is likely what their first round pick is going to be either 10th or in a trade back.

Unless they are secretly really sold on Takitaki or Redwine (which they shouldn't be in either case), they likely need to address LB and S early.

So where are they going to find DE and DT on top of also needing LT, S, LB too?

It probably can't all be addressed in one offseason.

MIght end up why we keep Richardson and his 12 mill? To not create a hole? I guess it depends how he performs next year in the new scheme.
 
MIght end up why we keep Richardson and his 12 mill? To not create a hole? I guess it depends how he performs next year in the new scheme.

It possible they could keep him, I think what you said is very accurate. If he has a great year, then he’d probably need to stick around unless they desperately need the cap savings.

It’s also possible that defensive line could be next year’s big free agency splash move ala Conklin and Hooper depending on who is available.

As it stands now, I could absolutely see a scenario where the Browns aggressively address DL in free agency and early in the 2021 draft.
 
I wanna take a shot on Clowney. Front load a 3 or 4 yr deal and cut Vernon.

I agree. Right now he thinks he is worth a 5 yr 100 million. He doesn't get after the QB enough to demand that. He is elite vs the run.

5 year--75 million w 40 g
1st year --20 mill
2nd year--17.5 mill
3rd year--12.5 mill
4th year--12.5 mill
5th year--12.5 mill
 

Maybe sign Sherman and have Grossi be triple-happy? ;)

I could actually see Peters-to-#10 be a much more successful "bridge OL" plan than the Mack-to-Erving disaster.
 
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MIght end up why we keep Richardson and his 12 mill? To not create a hole? I guess it depends how he performs next year in the new scheme.

To me you dont move Richardson unless either he is doing super bad or you have a replacement for him. As people are saying we got a lot of one year, stop gap contracts (and maybe extra compensation picks) to help fill in needs now while we hopefully draft to replace them/fill in more needs. Vernon and Richardson end up in the same boat, we have cap space so it's not like we need to cut them, so we may as well keep them until we can replace them/we can find equal production for less.
 
Kline on the cheap would be a desirable signing unless they’re confident one of the competing parties at guard will be good enough. Some intelligent Minnesota fans I know were really disappointed in that release
 
I think this article does a great job explaining why I feel very "meh" about the Browns' free agency. Yes, it was a good period, but I think regression to the mean will be significant enough to create not all that large of an impact.


The other problem, to my eye, is that new coaches are highly variable - very rarely do you see a new coach see a team perform where we would expect. They either look like Freddie and vastly underperform or look like McVay and drastically overperform.

To this end, Stefanski's ability to maximize Baker and OBJ is the most important variable going into this season. Sure, the free agency additions will help, but I think their total impact will be less than some believe. The team will goes as Baker does.

The first wave of free agency is in the books and we’ve already seen a lot of splash moves, like the Indianapolis Colts trading for DeForest Buckner, the Arizona Cardinals trading for DeAndre Hopkins, the Miami Dolphins signing Byron Jones and the Cleveland Browns signing tight end Austin Hooper.

We’ve graded the Cardinals' and Dolphins' deals as “good” and the deals done by the Browns and Colts as “below average,” but all these deals have one thing in common: The respective teams expect their new players to have a huge impact in 2020, just as teams did this time last year.

However, reality often paints a different picture. Since 2006, players (excluding quarterbacks) who added value to their teams in a given season (i.e., they generated positive WAR) generated a total of 99 WAR less afterthey changed teams in free agency.

That’s roughly one-quarter of a win less per team and season than teams would have hoped for if they signed the new players hoping for just a replication of their previous year's success.

First of all, that’s not really a surprising result because of the presence of regression to the mean, as a player who added positive value is generally expected to produce less value the following year. We also find this for players who don’t change teams, so a natural question to ask is whether or not the change of teams strengthens the regression.

As a first rudimentary analysis, let us bin players into three groups based on the previous year WAR and find the average WAR difference for players who switched teams and players who didn’t.

WAR difference for players with positive WAR in the previous season, excluding quarterbacks, 2006 – 2019
Previous Year WARWAR difference for players on the same teamWAR difference for players who switched teams
0 – 0.1+0.01-0.01
0.1 – 0.3-0.03-0.06
0.3 +-0.12-0.19


So, the better a player was in the previous season, the more he is expected to regress, which is a very intuitive result. Furthermore, we indeed obtain the first piece of evidence that switching teams increases the effect of regression to the mean.

To confirm this, we perform a more nuanced analysis, i.e., we control for experience (age). Older players see a stronger regression than younger players and are more likely to switch teams, as 79% of all players who have played no more than five years in the league stay with their teams. This number falls to 70% for players who have played in the NFL for six or more years.

war_regression_age.png


To account for this, we build a model that regresses the magnitude of the regression to the mean (WAR difference) based on the combination of previous-year WAR and age. We use this model to normalize the WAR difference for each four-year player in our database (because of the length of the rookie contracts, the transition from Year to 4 to Year 5 observes the most team changes).

war_regression.png


We find that the effect is still present across the full spectrum of player quality. Good players generally regress to the mean, and this effect is amplified when a player switches teams.

This suggests that a player's environment does matter to his performance — when a player performed well in a given season, it was likely because the environment was good. Therefore, the odds are that his environment worsens when he switches teams.

While NFL parity is largely working, in the sense that there are hardly any teams who can sustain their excellence for a long time, the saying “bad teams stay bad” still has some credibility. Our findings suggest there are multiple effects in play: The worst teams obviously need to improve the most, hence they sign the supposed best free agents and thus spend a lot of money on players who are expected to regress the most, especially on a new team.

INVESTIGATING INDIVIDUAL TEAMS
The following chart shows how much value each team has given up over the last 13 offseasons by losing players who gained positive WAR on other teams (whether this might be per trade or per free agency).

We then compare this value to the WAR those players gained for their new teams in the following season. Even though the Buffalo Bills did their best in this regard, every single team lost players that, on average, performed worse for their new teams in the following season.

This fits our general discussion above. We’ve again excluded quarterbacks, since signing a quarterback from another team and having him perform well would break the scale here.

teams_players_gone.png


The New England Patriots and Baltimore Ravens have lost the best players in free agency. However, the teams that took the players on haven’t necessarily been happy with their shiny new players out of New England or Baltimore. Given our findings, it’s questionable to sign a player to a large contract after he had a good season or stretch in Foxborough. Just recently, examples like Trey Flowers, Nate Solder, Dion Lewis and Martellus Bennettcome to mind, none of which met expectations with their new teams (so far). The players who regressed the most after leaving the Patriots were veterans in the twilight of their careers. Brandon Browner, Darrelle Revis and Randy Moss all disappointed with their new teams after Bill Belichick decided they didn't help his team enough to keep them in New England.

It’s hard to find the direction of the causation, but it’s interesting that other teams that were blessed with stellar quarterback play for more than a decade but couldn't replicate the Patriots' success — the Steelers, Colts, Saints, Packers, Falcons and Chargers — are at the bottom of the chart. That is, they lost few of their good players to other teams during the offseason. It’s not clear whether they just couldn’t find enough good players or whether holding onto players for too long actually harmed them, potentially by missing out on valuable draft capital in the form of compensatory picks or trade compensation.

What about looking at it from the perspective of the new team? Which teams had their expectations disappointed the most through free agent signings? The following chart shows for each team how many WAR new players generated compared to how many WAR they generated for their old team during the previous season.

teams_players_new.png


Of course, when losing a lot of value to other teams, compensation is required, and nobody was better at finding it than the Ravens and Patriots. The Ravens were even a unicorn in a sense — no other team managed to get more value out of their new players than they produced for their old teams the previous season. The Ravens added players who combined for 8.6 WAR on other teams the previous season and managed to get a production worth a total of 10.4 WAR out of them in the first season in Baltimore. It goes without saying that the Patriots are also at the top of the league in terms of creating an environment that helps their new players to succeed. Their new players from other teams regressed only by 10%, the lowest rate besides the Ravens.

We also observe the “bad teams stay bad”-effect in full play, as teams like the Redskins, Dolphins, Browns, Lions and Raiders all invested a ton in getting supposedly valuable players from other teams only to see them regress by more than 50% in Miami, Cleveland, Detroit and Washington.

CONCLUSION
It is, of course, hard to find actionable advice from our findings, as building an environment that allows new players to succeed is easier said than done. So is finding the sweet spot of when to part with veterans. However, it could be worthwhile to hesitate less when it’s time to part with merited veteran players, especially when the opportunity to get back some draft capital presents itself.

Our findings emphasize the value of building through the draft, as this is the only chance to observe a player in the environment of his own team. Consequently, realizing a player is good with the original team is more valuable than realizing a player is good with another team. This is related to a study from our own Kevin Cole, who found that extensions of a team's own players produce more wins per salary dollars than unrestricted free agent signings.

From an analyst’s perspective, we should be much more cautious when assessing how an offseason affects team strengths. Most of us (including PFF) were guilty of being too bullish on the Cleveland Browns last year, mostly because nobody thought Odell Beckham Jr. would produce less than 50% of the WAR he put up in his worst season before 2019 (other than the 2017 season he missed to injury).

As a more nuanced analysis of the shift of team strengths, Kevin Cole has created the PFF Improvement Index, which projects the impact of each offseason arrival on his new team instead of looking back. It illustrates that the total shifts are lower than one might think, with half of the league hovering between -0.1 and 0.1 wins added. The largest improvement is currently projected for the Indianapolis Colts with 0.36 wins added — and this is entirely explained by replacing Jacoby Brissett, who “added” -0.85 wins below average in 2019, with a starting-caliber quarterback in Philip Rivers.

Naturally, there are many teams that improve by considerably more than 0.4 wins from one season to the next. What we should keep in mind is that the reason for the improvement is never that the team made offseason moves that worked out as expected. Apart from lucky bounces in close games, most teams improve because either offseason acquisitions or players already on the roster (and very often both) outperformed their expectation, something that is very hard to predict beforehand.
 
I think this article does a great job explaining why I feel very "meh" about the Browns' free agency. Yes, it was a good period, but I think regression to the mean will be significant enough to create not all that large of an impact.


The other problem, to my eye, is that new coaches are highly variable - very rarely do you see a new coach see a team perform where we would expect. They either look like Freddie and vastly underperform or look like McVay and drastically overperform.

To this end, Stefanski's ability to maximize Baker and OBJ is the most important variable going into this season. Sure, the free agency additions will help, but I think their total impact will be less than some believe. The team will goes as Baker does.
One could argue that Freddie was so historically poor at leadership, organization, and head coaching in general that even if this is a growing pains/learning on the job season by Stefanski, it could still represent such a significant upswing from last year.
 
One could argue that Freddie was so historically poor at leadership, organization, and head coaching in general that even if this is a growing pains/learning on the job season by Stefanski, it could still represent such a significant upswing from last year.
Maybe... I think we’ll see soon enough. I’m just as unsure about Stefanski as we should’ve been about Freddie.
 
I would still take Trent Williams at the absolute right price.

Not sure if the right price is out there from a draft pick or contract extension perspective, but if it is, I’d certainly take him.
 

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