BROWNS OFF-SEASON 2020

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

Fair point.
I don't care (unless the Browns can benefit), but l don't care what the Redskins do...however, why should they just release him without compensation?
Clearly the team decided to get as much for him as possible with no regard to whether he sits or plays. And why not?
Look at the NBA and the power the players have to control their trade destinations. Maybe that is a good thing as it IS their own destination, but the lack of respect to fulfill a signed contract pisses me off.
Maybe that makes me old, but l have no problem with a team expecting a player to play under contract, or with trying to get the highest value if trying to trade him.

At what point are the Redskins no longer trying to get the highest value for the asset, and are instead just stubbornly punishing the asset?

There were rumors leading up to the draft last year that Williams wanted out, and his trade request has been public since at least last June: https://bleacherreport.com/articles...eportedly-demanded-trade-or-release-from-team

Draft, Pre-Season, Season, Trade Deadline, Off-season... they've all come and gone without a move by Washington.

I agree with you. Typically I'm against the player-controlled movement. But in this situation, the dude's served his time and been more than patient with the organization. We're a year later and they still haven't made a move.

If they came out and said they weren't going to trade him, and he's either going to play, or sit on the bench, then I wouldn't even have a problem with that. It's the being in-flux for a year that just has to end at some point.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Typically I'm not a fan of agents and the stuff they put out is just garbage and spin.

But here, I agree 100% with him. The Redskins have had more than enough time to try and trade Williams. They didn't trade him last offseason. They didn't trade him during the season. They aren't trading him now. At some point, enough is enough. Either let him go for what teams are offering, or release him.

He signed a contract -- that included guaranteed money -- to play with the Skins. Why isn't he willing to play out the deal he signed?

ETA: The Bleacher Report article you linked quotes Ian Rappaport as saying that Williams wants a new deal. Is that what he is demanding of any team to which he is traded? Because if he is, then dropping that demand would seem like the best way to expedite being traded.

Being released is an unreasonable request because of the dead cap hit.

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

He signed a contract -- that included guaranteed money -- to play with the Skins. Why isn't he willing to play out the deal he signed?

From the Bleacher Report article posted above:

According to Michael David Smith of Pro Football Talk, "A couple months ago, news broke that Williams had a benign tumor or growth removed from his head. Not a lot has been reported about exactly what happened, but Williams is apparently not satisfied that he got adequate medical care from the team. Williams has also had knee, thumb, and rib injuries."

 

[Marcus]

He signed a contract -- that included guaranteed money -- to play with the Skins. Why isn't he willing to play out the deal he signed?

Because they completely bungled his medical care.

Completely agreed on your second point regarding the dropping of new contract demands, although from his perspective (coming off a health scare) I can understand why he wants to secure one more payday.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

From the Bleacher Report article posted above:

Yes...but that seems like self-serving PR spin given that he apparently was asking the Redskins to renegotiate his deal to give him more money:

Trent Williams tells Redskins he wants a new contract or to be traded, per report

Ron Rivera's confident the left tackle will be back, but maybe he shouldn't be

www.cbssports.com

Is he still asking that the team that acquires him in trade must agree to renegotiate his contract?

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Because they completely bungled his medical care.

If that is his true motivation, and it has nothing to do with money, then why did he tell the Redskins he'd stay if they renegotiated his deal?

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

He signed a contract -- that included guaranteed money -- to play with the Skins. Why isn't he willing to play out the deal he signed?

ETA: The Bleacher Report article you linked quotes Ian Rappaport as saying that Williams wants a new deal. Is that what he is demanding of any team to which he is traded? Because if he is, then dropping that demand would seem like the best way to expedite being traded.

Being released is an unreasonable request because of the dead cap hit.

The only dead cap hit is a 2 million dollar bonus. The guy's base salary is over six times that (12.5 million).

 

[Marcus]

If that is his true motivation, and it has nothing to do with money, then why did he tell the Redskins he'd stay if they renegotiated his deal?

I tend to think that a big source of his ire, Bruce Allen, is no longer with the team, which makes him more open to the second part of the statement you quoted me on - coming off a health scare, it doesn't surprise me that he wants to try and make as much money as possible, even if it's with the Redskins.

Articles with regards to the Bruce Allen stuff:

Report: Trent Williams Doesn't Trust Bruce Allen; Won't Play for Redskins Again

Washington offensive tackle Trent Williams ' holdout doesn't seem like it will end anytime soon. According to Jason La Canfora of CBS Sports, the relationship between ...

bleacherreport.com

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www.washingtonpost.com

ETA: At least seemingly open to it until his agent released that statement today.

 

[Jordan]

Yes...but that seems like self-serving PR spin given that he apparently was asking the Redskins to renegotiate his deal to give him more money:

Trent Williams tells Redskins he wants a new contract or to be traded, per report

Ron Rivera's confident the left tackle will be back, but maybe he shouldn't be

www.cbssports.com

Is he still asking that the team that acquires him in trade must agree to renegotiate his contract?

Yes, and the latter point is why I want nothing to do with him. He's an older left tackle, slightly declined in recent years, and is past the average-prime for a left tackle. He has not played a full season since 2013, and per Sports Info Solutions, during the 2018 season, gave up pressures on 10% of pass-blocking snaps in 2018 and blew his blocking gap on 51.2% of run snaps.

D’Brickashaw Ferguson and how tackles age

A few weeks ago, I discussed why I selected D’Brickashaw Ferguson as my left tackle in the RSP Writer’s Project. In the comments to that post, mrh argued that tackles generally don’t age that well, a proposition I never really considered before. I have previously discussed quarterback age curves...

www.footballperspective.com

He is not worth whatever contract he will demand. Hell, I am not sure he will even be much of an improvement over whatever rookie we end up drafting beyond this first season.

 

[DJTJ]

Yes, and the latter point is why I want nothing to do with him. He's an older left tackle, slightly declined in recent years, and is past the average-prime for a left tackle. He has not played a full season since 2013, and per Sports Info Solutions, during the 2018 season, gave up pressures on 10% of pass-blocking snaps in 2018 and blew his blocking gap on 51.2% of run snaps.

D’Brickashaw Ferguson and how tackles age

A few weeks ago, I discussed why I selected D’Brickashaw Ferguson as my left tackle in the RSP Writer’s Project. In the comments to that post, mrh argued that tackles generally don’t age that well, a proposition I never really considered before. I have previously discussed quarterback age curves...

www.footballperspective.com

He is not worth whatever contract he will demand. Hell, I am not sure he will even be much of an improvement over whatever rookie we end up drafting beyond this first season.

No comment in the post itself, just wanted to tell you you’ve become a much needed posting presence in this portion of the forum. Very great stuff as of late.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

I tend to think that a big source of his ire, Bruce Allen, is no longer with the team, which makes him more open to the second part of the statement you quoted me on - coming off a health scare, it doesn't surprise me that he wants to try and make as much money as possible, even if it's with the Redskins.

Although it seemed that from the very start, word was leaking that he wanted to renegotiate his deal with the Redskins. So whatever other gripes he may have been trying to use as leverage, it was ultimately about getting out from under his current contract and getting more money.

ETA: At least seemingly open to it until his agent released that statement today.

The agent probably realized that the Redskins were never going to agree to a renegotiation, so he figures he might as well start becoming disruptive to force a trade.

From what I've heard -- and I don't have any secret sources or anything -- Williams is still demanding that whatever team that acquires him in trade must agree to renegotiate his contract. So that's the real holdup. My guess is that when/if he drops that demand, the 'Skins will receive offers sufficient that they'll trade him. Obviously, the agent would prefer that he be released so that he could sign with the highest bidder, but I see no reason why the 'Skins should agree to that.

 

[Jordan]

No comment in the post itself, just wanted to tell you you’ve become a much needed posting presence in this portion of the forum. Very great stuff as of late.

Thanks, man! I am just doing my best!

 

[Lee]

What MKC forgets to mention was on that charity trip Barnidge drove the bus during the trip then built 5 homes for wounded vets by himself from the ground up, and turned around and saved a single mother from a burning building.

Sadly the charity ran out of materials so Gary turned to Jordan and Hooper and said "Well looks like we have to call it a day" It was only 11:00 AM.

 

[MirORich]

 

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