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Browns stadium thread: To dome or not to dome

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Which would you prefer?

  • A $1B renovation of current stadium, no dome, and likely some city/state money

    Votes: 6 8.2%

  • A new domed stadium outside of downtown with mostly private money

    Votes: 64 87.7%

  • Move like Modell

    Votes: 3 4.1%
  • Total voters
    73
inliner311 said:
I'm just not entirely sure that if you built it they will come. Like people will come for football games but making a entertainment district is usually complicated. Places can go from a good scene to a no one showing up a month later in Cleveland.

It took like 5+ years for west 25th to find the right combination of bars for people to actually want to go there. Brookpark doesn't have the young adults population that a lot of scenes have to develop around.

If it just becomes an area that is chain restaurants and some retail shopping, I'm not sure it's going to be that money maker. I'm also not sure who will actually want to live in this entertainment complex. Its so close to the airport and nothing else around it.

Even in downtown in the gateway district, people don't go over there outside of guardians games and when there is nice weather for Cavs game.
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I get what you are saying, but a major event stadium that holds concerts, conferences, tournaments, ect built next to the airport with restaurants, hotels, ect.

It will be a major win for city and surrounding areas. I saw it happen when people complained about state farm stadium being in the middle of nowhere in west glendale, but the whole area called Westgate is one of the top 5 destination areas in the entire valley and the only one on the West side. And that isnt anywhere close to the airport.

It will change how Cleveland functions and people are afraid of change, and the feel of a Browns game will be different, but overall it will be a huge financial win for the county.
 
Lee said:
I get what you are saying, but a major event stadium that holds concerts, conferences, tournaments, ect built next to the airport with restaurants, hotels, ect.

It will be a major win for city and surrounding areas. I saw it happen when people complained about state farm stadium being in the middle of nowhere in west glendale, but the whole area called Westgate is one of the top 5 destination areas in the entire valley and the only one on the West side. And that isnt anywhere close to the airport.

It will change how Cleveland functions and people are afraid of change, and the feel of a Browns game will be different, but overall it will be a huge financial win for the county.
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I can understand why it works in the Phoenix area though. People want to go to warm weather places for conventions. Like we really like to go to Tucson when I was a kid.

Does that kind of thing translate to a cold weather city like Cleveland. Lucas oil stadium is near downtown in Indy. The IX center and the airport hotels are like a smaller scale version of this and it didn't really work. IX center closed down for a couple years and they blamed it on covid but I'm not sure it was doing well before that. They had to restructure parts of it to a warehouse and for indoor soccer to keep it viable after reopening it. I said it before the Marriott is being demolished for a parking garage at the airport and the Sheridan is closed down, it relied heavily on parking to stay open.
 
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inliner311 said:
I can understand why it works in the Phoenix area though. People want to go to warm weather places for conventions. Like we really like to go to Tucson when I was a kid.

Does that kind of thing translate to a cold weather city like Cleveland. Lucas oil stadium is near downtown in Indy. The IX center and the airport hotels are like a smaller scale version of this and it didn't really work. IX center closed down for a couple years and they blamed it on covid but I'm not sure it was doing well before that. They had to restructure parts of it to a warehouse and for indoor soccer to keep it viable after opening it. I said it before the Marriott is being demolished for a parking garage at the airport and the Sheridan is closed down, it relied heavily on parking to stay open
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I can see your point for sure, another airport area convention center will kill the IX center probably. I will also say Indy is a good comparison, but a stadium is so much more than the IX center. Final 4's, super bowls, Bowl games, on top of major convenntions. It wont be as popular as something in Phoenix, nor is the area nearly as populated. But, Haslam is counting on the area being lucrative and the whole area will get a face lift and restarants and bars. It will be much better than the IX Center alone.

Plus the IX center is an 80 year old building, vs a brand new building and even neigborhood.
 
Lee said:
I can see your point for sure, another airport area convention center will kill the IX center probably. I will also say Indy is a good comparison, but a stadium is so much more than the IX center. Final 4's, super bowls, Bowl games, on top of major convenntions. It wont be as popular as something in Phoenix, nor is the area nearly as populated. But, Haslam is counting on the area being lucrative and the whole area will get a face lift and restarants and bars. It will be much better than the IX Center alone.

Plus the IX center is an 80 year old building, vs a brand new building and even neigborhood.
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I was hoping they would lean in to indoor/outdoor theme with everything outside the dome. In a cold weather city, I thought there was an opportunity to have a indoor entertainment district that people could go to dinner, movies, bar hop, etc without ever going outside. I thought Dan Gilbert could have converted tower city into that when they bought it.

I thought with the dome's entertainment district they could have had both indoor space like an indoor beer gardens and outdoor space for when the weather was nice with the same bars/restaurants. If they want to make a dome they use year round, the district should have that mind set.
 
The old school domes of the 1980s made of fiberglass started giving out, but that isn't a good reason for a retractable roof. The technology for a retractable roof has shown that they will start breaking down soon as well, especially with the moving parts creating a poor seal.

Say it with me: ETFE.

ETFE is a space-age, plastic-like material used in construction for roughly 30 years. ETFE is lighter and stronger than traditional roofing materials. It's completely translucent so it feels like you have no roof at all. The roof on a New Zealand soccer stadium has natural grass because the ETFE roof lets in enough light. All the cool new stadiums have it, not the option for opening up here or there.
 
BMAN said:
So now this place is going to poach from the IX Center AND the convention center downtown?
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It'll kill the IX Center, no doubt. Not sure about the Convention Center; I think it will keep the stuff that already flourishes there.

One good thing about a dome being right next to the airport is folks can fly in for an event and never even have to set foot in Cleveland proper before getting the hell back out. This has been a dream of forced travelers to here for several decades. Could very well be a selling point for a Super Bowl bid.
 
macbdog said:
It'll kill the IX Center, no doubt. Not sure about the Convention Center; I think it will keep the stuff that already flourishes there.

One good thing about a dome being right next to the airport is folks can fly in for an event and never even have to set foot in Cleveland proper before getting the hell back out. This has been a dream of forced travelers to here for several decades. Could very well be a selling point for a Super Bowl bid.
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Not sure if you’re fucking with me with this one.
 
Idgaf where this stadium is as long as its close enough to be reasonably called the Cleveland Browns.

Wgaf
 
The Human Q-Tip said:
We must have lost.
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Catastrophic loss.

The UP is one of the great gems of the continent.

Staggeringly beautiful place that is evocative of the Pacific Northwest and Alaska rather than the Midwest.

And whose copper and iron deposits were worth 10x whatever Toledo ever contributed.

And the steelhead streams...

Governor Lucas should be dug up and tarred and feathered.
 
Anyone mentioning the IX Center’s future as a concern has to be trolling.

Stop thinking so small. Don’t try to compete with just Columbus for small commercial events. Think of how to compete on a national level for national dollars when the South is too hot.

A brook park complex with gelato not frozen ice can be amazing. Anyone with a 4 hour layover might go there for the scene not just the 9 games. This only works in a shitty area that people want to tear down or completely renovate, not some marginal improvement.

It will help Cleveland too. Synergy will be stronk. Lots of long weekends in Greater Cleveland.

I sold myself. No idea any details but my body is ready.
 
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