Browns trade Danny Shelton to Pats

[The Wizard of Moz]

I just wish people would air these grievances about players before they get shipped out

Nothing is said about wanting to move a guy

Guy gets moved for meager return

“Well this makes sense for all these reasons that no one has ever brought up before”

If it was always so obvious then why has it literally never been a point of conversation on a board with hundreds of messages a day

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

Shelton is good situational player. But we have plenty of players that provide that same skill set.

He was worth more than what they got, but he definitely was not needed any more. I don't like it but I am understanding why they did it.

And yes, I would much rather pay Landry than pay Shelton.

 

[ajz20]

Basically, we are going to have a very different looking roster when camp starts in late July. Will all the moves work out? No. But as long as the team is clearly better in the short and long term and we are good enough to win games and not look like an expansion team, then it is def a step forward. What happens at one and 4 and round 2 and the first two days of free agency is going to make or break us, not Danny Shelton. Good player? Yes. Can he be easily replaced as a one down player, probably.

 

[ajz20]

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[The Wizard of Moz]

Not needed anymore?

We won 1 game in 2 years. Sorry, we need all of the talent we can get. Depth is a GOOD thing on the defensive line. Don’t you guys remember how many injuries we had last year?

Look, I’ve had variations of this argument over multiple boards for years now. People insisted to me that Whitner was an upgrade to Ward. People insisted Dqwell Jackson actually wasn’t a good football player

People will go to bat for a new front office and rationalize their every move. It happens every time. There’s no need to get rid of talented players from a 1 win

I think the most ironic parts of this is I took a wave of disagrees on this board when Shelton was drafted for basically saying all of the negatives against him that are being mentioned now that he’s gone were reasons he shouldn’t be a first rounder. But just because I didn’t think he should be a first rounder didn’t mean I thought he was dispensable. Shelton was an above average to good nose and excellent in run support. We need more talent, not less

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

I guess you are just smarter than the rest of us Moz.

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

I guess you are just smarter than the rest of us Moz.

I’m just more skeptical

There are posts everywhere on this board where I whiff on players. I’m not trying to give off the impression I’m some great talent evaluator. I just think people shouldn’t give the benefit of the doubt to every move.

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

I’m just more skeptical

There are posts everywhere on this board where I whiff on players. I’m not trying to give off the impression I’m some great talent evaluator. I just think people shouldn’t give the benefit of the doubt to every move.

I don't think this move deserves to be praised.

I also don't think Shelton was that big of a loss and if you would have asked me, I thought he was a goner this season. Ogunjobi clearly outplayed him this last year and I think the Browns could find someone to replace him in FA.

The key is to get an improvement at 3Tech. They needed that this offseason.o

And just for postarity, other guys I wouldn't be shocked to see moved:

Nassib
Every QB but Taylor
Coleman
Devalve
J Taylor

 

[Randolphkeys]

Not needed anymore?

We won 1 game in 2 years. Sorry, we need all of the talent we can get. Depth is a GOOD thing on the defensive line. Don’t you guys remember how many injuries we had last year?

Look, I’ve had variations of this argument over multiple boards for years now. People insisted to me that Whitner was an upgrade to Ward. People insisted Dqwell Jackson actually wasn’t a good football player

People will go to bat for a new front office and rationalize their every move. It happens every time. There’s no need to get rid of talented players from a 1 win

I think the most ironic parts of this is I took a wave of disagrees on this board when Shelton was drafted for basically saying all of the negatives against him that are being mentioned now that he’s gone were reasons he shouldn’t be a first rounder. But just because I didn’t think he should be a first rounder didn’t mean I thought he was dispensable. Shelton was an above average to good nose and excellent in run support. We need more talent, not less

You do bring up a great point. Sports fans are the worst when a player who worked their asses off leave. Shelton was a decent nose tackle. If a team runs a 3-4 base, which the Browns had planned to run, he's good.

There was one key factor: the opportunity to draft Myles Garrett, who is the best 4-3 defensive end prospect in a decade. Once that opportunity presented itself, and the Browns defense as a 3-4 base proved to be bottom five in the NFL, the choice to move away from Shelton's best situation became a clear better choice. The Browns are still two deep at interior DT right now without Shelton.

You are right - don't dump on the guy just because he was traded... but on the other hand Cleveland doesn't have to hang onto a flathead screwdriver when they switch to Phillips.

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

I don't think this move deserves to be praised.

I also don't think Shelton was that big of a loss and if you would have asked me, I thought he was a goner this season. Ogunjobi clearly outplayed him this last year and I think the Browns could find someone to replace him in FA.

The key is to get an improvement at 3Tech. They needed that this offseason.o

And just for postarity, other guys I wouldn't be shocked to see moved:

Nassib
Every QB but Taylor
Coleman
Devalve
J Taylor

Appreciate the posterity list.

See that is what frustrates me though. Are any of the guys on your list world beaters? No. But Nassib, Coleman, and Devalve are all young guys with varying degrees of potential. That’s the thing that wears on me with all the regime changes. Pulling the plug so soon on guys they didn’t draft. It feels like we are ripping it down to the studs every 2-3 years. I’ve been critical of Dorsey but I’ll be the first to tell you I hope he gets a chance to actually see this through and we keep this FO in place. I just want to see a plan fully executed

It’s enough to drive a wizard mad

 

[Norm]

You do bring up a great point. Sports fans are the worst when a player who worked their asses off leave. Shelton was a decent nose tackle. If a team runs a 3-4 base, which the Browns had planned to run, he's good.

There was one key factor: the opportunity to draft Myles Garrett, who is the best 4-3 defensive end prospect in a decade. Once that opportunity presented itself, and the Browns defense as a 3-4 base proved to be bottom five in the NFL, the choice to move away from Shelton's best situation became a clear better choice. The Browns are still two deep at interior DT right now without Shelton.

You are right - don't dump on the guy just because he was traded... but on the other hand Cleveland doesn't have to hang onto a flathead screwdriver when they switch to Phillips.

Larry O playing way above his 3rd round slot really helped make this decision easier as well.

The trade? I'm fine with, opens up for my DT crush - Hurst .

My only question is about the compensation. Shelton, should reasonably be regarded higher value for their defense than ours. The round 3 pick, I can agree with somewhat. The 5th rounder we sent out also? Not that it's a deal breaker for me, I just think that the trend the past few years is that those early day 3 picks are becoming more valuable as teams are finding "better" specialists and more diamonds in the rough.

I initially reacted as "yuck" t this trade. Not a total yuck, but imI sure we will have to wait to see what happens in totallity with adding to the DT group this year when most would have agreed that no more than"depth" was needed....if any of that makes sense?

 

[Jack Brickman]

Appreciate the posterity list.

See that is what frustrates me though. Are any of the guys on your list world beaters? No. But Nassib, Coleman, and Devalve are all young guys with varying degrees of potential. That’s the thing that wears on me with all the regime changes. Pulling the plug so soon on guys they didn’t draft. It feels like we are ripping it down to the studs every 2-3 years. I’ve been critical of Dorsey but I’ll be the first to tell you I hope he gets a chance to actually see this through and we keep this FO in place. I just want to see a plan fully executed

It’s enough to drive a wizard mad

That's pretty much the reason this team has been consistently shit for two decades. New guys come in, tear down everything the previous regime was building, and start over. Not necessarily a bad thing unless you never give any regime more than two years and are stuck in that constant cycle of tearing down and starting over without ever giving anyone the time to finish building something.

Yeah, we've blown plenty of draft picks too, but ultimately I have to think at least a couple of those regimes could have had us becoming a semi-respectable team if they were given four or five years to work with instead of getting canned after two.

 

[WellYouNeednt]

I just hope this doesn’t mean we have to see more of Jamie meder.

The Meder will be running all season long!

 

[macbdog]

The Browns had to do something they wwre getting too talented. Probably didn't fit the scheme, my only worry is whether Williams is actually coordinating for this team in a year- I dont see him staying under Haley.

 

[AZ_]

I'd debate that Williams did an awful job putting Shelton in positions to succeed.

Played him in way too many passing downs, had him dropping in coverage way too frequently, hell he even had him dropping in coverage when the opponents were inside our 5 yard line.

They refuse to properly use the talent they had.

Constantly. It was maddening.

The other side of that coin is that Shelton’s strengths don’t fit well into his ideal scheme.

Lose lose.