Buying a new Car

[Zog]

no, Tesla still gets the credit until the end of the year. There is a period after 200k is hit that the credit still applies.

I see reports that conflict, one says that it goes until the end of the year and the other says it goes for 3 more months past July (when they reached 200k sold).

Regardless the credit is going to be cut in half soon, and from what I can tell, will be $0 starting in 2020.

 

[KI4MVP]

I see reports that conflict, one says that it goes until the end of the year and the other says it goes for 3 more months past July (when they reached 200k sold).

Regardless the credit is going to be cut in half soon, and from what I can tell, will be $0 starting in 2020.

the tax credit ends 3 months from the end of the quarter they hit 200k units sold, then phases out the following year. Somehow they're going to have to figure out how to sell these without a tax credit.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tw4jkyfY4HE

 

[Zog]

the tax credit ends 3 months from the end of the quarter they hit 200k units sold, then phases out the following year. Somehow they're going to have to figure out how to sell these without a tax credit.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tw4jkyfY4HE

Ok, so if it was July when they sold 200k cars, then it's the end of the year. If it was June then it ends at end of September.

That car is pretty sweet, although for $200k I would probably be looking at a Lamborghini or Ferrari personally before a Tesla (I realize the Tesla is faster, but no car that fast can nor should be used on public roads anyways). I wouldn't think the $7500 credit would have much effect on someone's decision to buy that particular car, but the Model 3 I can see it hurting a little bit, $7500 is 10+% of the price of the car.

 

[KI4MVP]

Ok, so if it was July when they sold 200k cars, then it's the end of the year. If it was June then it ends at end of September.

That car is pretty sweet, although for $200k I would probably be looking at a Lamborghini or Ferrari personally before a Tesla (I realize the Tesla is faster, but no car that fast can nor should be used on public roads anyways). I wouldn't think the $7500 credit would have much effect on someone's decision to buy that particular car, but the Model 3 I can see it hurting a little bit, $7500 is 10+% of the price of the car.

This video doesn't get the tax credit info right, but here's a comparison of the total cost of ownership of the 35k base model 3 to honda civic and BMW 3.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XR_ub5eL9n0


As for Roadster, I was joking, they are going to sell as many of those as they want, the tax credit is a complete non factor. I'm not sure why anyone who can afford either would by a Lamborghini or a Ferrari over the new Tesla Roadster, which is faster, quicker, cheaper, and has better range. Unless they just like engine noise.

 

[Zog]

This video doesn't get the tax credit info right, but here's a comparison of the total cost of ownership of the 35k base model 3 to honda civic and BMW 3.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XR_ub5eL9n0


As for Roadster, I was joking, they are going to sell as many of those as they want, the tax credit is a complete non factor. I'm not sure why anyone who can afford either would by a Lamborghini or a Ferrari over the new Tesla Roadster, which is faster, quicker, cheaper, and has better range. Unless they just like engine noise.

Teslas make a lot of sense where the infrastructure is in place. There were a lot of them when I was out in California recently (about 4 miles from the Tesla plant). However, the range is a concern to me. I'd have to rent a car several times a year with a 220 mile range, because there's not the infrastructure in place in most of the country to support a road trip in a Tesla.

As for Ferrari over Tesla, because people buy those cars as status symbols, and it's a Ferrari. I don't think Tesla will be able to compete on thrill of driving that's offered by a Ferrari either, but I guess we'll see when the roadster is actually out (and I'm not just talking about going fast in a straight line). Also, not many people take a road trip in a Ferrari or a Tesla roadster I'm sure, but again, unless you're somewhere with the infrastructure for supercharging, I can't consider the Tesla to have more range, even if it's single charge lasts longer than a single tank of gas.

The other battle that Tesla has is that there is a large percentage of the population that lives somewhere (apartments mainly) that don't have garages for charging.

Finally, if Tesla really is not producing the base modeling until Q1 2019, then the tax credit will be at best $3750, and soon $0, as far as TCO goes.

 

[KI4MVP]

Teslas make a lot of sense where the infrastructure is in place. There were a lot of them when I was out in California recently (about 4 miles from the Tesla plant). However, the range is a concern to me. I'd have to rent a car several times a year with a 220 mile range, because there's not the infrastructure in place in most of the country to support a road trip in a Tesla.

As for Ferrari over Tesla, because people buy those cars as status symbols, and it's a Ferrari. I don't think Tesla will be able to compete on thrill of driving that's offered by a Ferrari either, but I guess we'll see when the roadster is actually out (and I'm not just talking about going fast in a straight line). Also, not many people take a road trip in a Ferrari or a Tesla roadster I'm sure, but again, unless you're somewhere with the infrastructure for supercharging, I can't consider the Tesla to have more range, even if it's single charge lasts longer than a single tank of gas.

The other battle that Tesla has is that there is a large percentage of the population that lives somewhere (apartments mainly) that don't have garages for charging.

Finally, if Tesla really is not producing the base modeling until Q1 2019, then the tax credit will be at best $3750, and soon $0, as far as TCO goes.

220 miles of range is an issue for trips. It's perfectly fine for the kind of driving most people do.

310 miles of the long range version is better. That's 4 hours of driving at 75 MPH before you have to stop a half hour or so to charge. The built in maps app figures out where to stop and how long to charge. Just stop to eat while your car charges - you don't have to stand there and watch it while breathing gas fumes like you do with other cars.

Roadster is 620 miles. There aren't many people who are going to drive 620 miles without stopping for a break somewhere along the way.

 

[Zog]

220 miles of range is an issue for trips. It's perfectly fine for the kind of driving most people do.

310 miles of the long range version is better. That's 4 hours of driving at 75 MPH before you have to stop a half hour or so to charge. The built in maps app figures out where to stop and how long to charge. Just stop to eat while your car charges - you don't have to stand there and watch it while breathing gas fumes like you do with other cars.

Roadster is 620 miles. There aren't many people who are going to drive 620 miles without stopping for a break somewhere along the way.

Wow, didn’t realize that about the roadster. Eating and charging is a good idea. Still in many areas I feel like the infrastructure is not yet ready to support electric cars.

 

[KI4MVP]

Wow, didn’t realize that about the roadster. Eating and charging is a good idea. Still in many areas I feel like the infrastructure is not yet ready to support electric cars.

This is from may, red shows existing Tesla supercharger stations, grey shows ones in the works.

up to date interactive map is here

https://www.tesla.com/supercharger

 

[Zog]

This is from may, red shows existing Tesla supercharger stations, grey shows ones in the works.

up to date interactive map is here

https://www.tesla.com/supercharger

That's a lot more than I realized were already out there.

I guess you'd just have to carefully plan out your trips, and depending on the distance between superchargers, you might have to stop somewhat frequently, every 100 miles or so in some cases if the next charger was a ways away. It's at least doable to drive most anywhere though it seems, at least anywhere that is decently populated (some places Kansas you might be in trouble, lol).

 

[KI4MVP]

That's a lot more than I realized were already out there.

I guess you'd just have to carefully plan out your trips, and depending on the distance between superchargers, you might have to stop somewhat frequently, every 100 miles or so in some cases if the next charger was a ways away. It's at least doable to drive most anywhere though it seems, at least anywhere that is decently populated (some places Kansas you might be in trouble, lol).

The Tesla plans the route for you down to where to stop and how long to charge. I think they have it online too so you can see how much charging time at each stop and can switch between models and with/without extended range. At least they used to have that online

 

[KI4MVP]

That's a lot more than I realized were already out there.

I guess you'd just have to carefully plan out your trips, and depending on the distance between superchargers, you might have to stop somewhat frequently, every 100 miles or so in some cases if the next charger was a ways away. It's at least doable to drive most anywhere though it seems, at least anywhere that is decently populated (some places Kansas you might be in trouble, lol).

here you go. Pick a model, a starting point, a destination, and this map will show you the route, where you need to stop, how long you need to charge at each stop, and what services are near the stop (food, restrooms, hotels, etc), and the estimated savings for charging vs buying gasoline.

https://www.tesla.com/trips

 

[Zog]

here you go. Pick a model, a starting point, a destination, and this map will show you the route, where you need to stop, how long you need to charge at each stop, and what services are near the stop (food, restrooms, hotels, etc), and the estimated savings for charging vs buying gasoline.

https://www.tesla.com/trips

Cool, so I did a trip from where I'm at currently (Columbus) back to my parents house, which I do a few times a year, in a 310 mile range Model 3. It tells me to stop twice (it's only a 300 mile trip so that's a bit odd) and that it will take a total of 5 hours, 11 mins. Currently it takes me about 4 hours 20 minutes if I don't stop for gas, 4.5 if I do or if I fill up before I start the trip. Seems like I could just stop once but I guess it probably is conservative and doesn't want any chance of someone to run out of charge.

 

[KI4MVP]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2_gxqCT2E4

 

[KI4MVP]

self driving technology today

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XX7M7K4QFQk