Caitlin Clark

[The Oi]

Feelings getting in the way, IMO.

Some men are very emotional and do tend to have unhealthy relationships with sports and women alike.

You live in America, so you can pretty much pick any type of content to watch at any moment in time. You're getting upset because men lift up women's sports and women enjoy men's sports, which seems out of touch.


Don't see any dominant female being hailed as better than men, I see 100x more men feeling insecure about that narrative though.

All the commentary from these guys is peppered with hyper- emotional language hedged with “but it’s no big deal” or “but you can all do what you want” stuff around it or disguised as trolling.

 

[2 For The Brew]

I just find women in sports to be ungrateful. You have wnba players for years complaining about their pay, when nobody wanted to watch. Clark or anyone deserves all that is owed to them. I can create a channel making my favorite meals but can’t complain I’m not getting paid like Gordon Ramsey if no one watches.

I prefer Nigella Lawson to Gordon Ramsey. Not that I care what she’s cooking.

 

[AZ_]

All the commentary from these guys is peppered with hyper- emotional language hedged with “but it’s no big deal” or “but you can all do what you want” stuff around it or disguised as trolling.

I think it was very big of him to admit that it makes him upset to see men elevating women.

 

[Otsego Mar]

I prefer Nigella Lawson to Gordon Ramsey. Not that I care what she’s cooking.

Giada De Laurentiis?

 

[Stark]

I've noticed a stark correlation between MMA fans and an intolerance for women in my decades of experience in sports.

You rang?

 

[2 For The Brew]

Giada De Laurentiis?

Nigella Lawson.

 

[DirtyDan]

I would like a WNBA team in Cleveland so I have something to follow, it's hard to make a connection with a different city's team.

 

[The Oi]

Julia Childs for me.

 

[Wrathe]

So because some people say she could compete in the NBA you have the need to "defend" men's sports? Seriously this doesnt feel like misplaced misogyny to you? Some would call toxic but honestly hate the term.

Having the need to argue against her is like telling the high school freshman he is the best basketball player in the world and could beat any NBA player. He is just proud and being boastful.

Take your own advice, if someone is saying that, for what ever reason, pride, misguided difference in how good NBA players are, what ever reason, just change the channel, walk away, no good is going to come of defending men's sports, or feeling they are being degraded, because the audacity that they feel a woman can compete,

Nothing wont make what you are saying feel slightly icky and in general misogynistic. Walk away.

But when they talk about how LBJ could never be as good as Jordan, cause...hand checking; the quality of defensive game played in their eras, that's a talking point. Saying the same about Clark is misogynistic? C'mon. She wouldn't make it in the NBA, let her play up if she actually wanted to and see how it goes. Punching up a level is cool, punching down? Weak.

As it is, she's arguably the best NCAAW Basketball player (I have to say arguably, I'm married to a UCONN fan )

 

[Lee]

But when they talk about how LBJ could never be as good as Jordan, cause...hand checking; the quality of defensive game played in their eras, that's a talking point. Saying the same about Clark is misogynistic? C'mon. She wouldn't make it in the NBA, let her play up if she actually wanted to and see how it goes. Punching up a level is cool, punching down? Weak.

As it is, she's arguably the best NCAAW Basketball player (I have to say arguably, I'm married to a UCONN fan )

Miller has an argument from what I hear as goat.

But what i am saying is being so upset because some idiot says she could play in the NBA and being so much in a huff about it seems almost misogynstic...yes. Why do you care. He is made because he feels men's sports are being treated bad because there is a super star in woman's basketball. Let the woman's basketball fans have their fun, the NBA isnt being challenged or offended in any way...good for them

 

[Wrathe]

Miller has an argument from what I hear as goat.

But what i am saying is being so upset because some idiot says she could play in the NBA and being so much in a huff about it seems almost misogynstic...yes. Why do you care. He is made because he feels men's sports are being treated bad because there is a super star in woman's basketball. Let the woman's basketball fans have their fun, the NBA isnt being challenged or offended in any way...good for them

I think it started w/ the "holds the record in all of NCAA scoring". That starts the debate on asterisks or not to that stat which inevitably leads to defenses she faces in one league vs. what she'd face in NCAAM, for example.

*shrug* Good for her, she set records in her league. The big challenge is how to take women like my wife, who LOVE college ball; and get them to care at all about WNBA.

 

[Thelastcavsfan]

Miller has an argument from what I hear as goat.

But what i am saying is being so upset because some idiot says she could play in the NBA and being so much in a huff about it seems almost misogynstic...yes. Why do you care. He is made because he feels men's sports are being treated bad because there is a super star in woman's basketball. Let the woman's basketball fans have their fun, the NBA isnt being challenged or offended in any way...good for them

I am happy for women ball fans and Clark and their growth as a sport. I only hate that it has to be on tv all day. No different than if you’re listening to the radio and your favorite station starts to play a genre you like it’s a minor annoyance I now have to keep flipping to find a station I enjoy while the stations I have saved are playing what I find to be a worse product. I’ll move on and and just save the stations that play what I like. I’m just having a discussion on a forum. I’m not that upset.

 

[2 For The Brew]

The BEST part of NBA All Star Weekend was the three point shooting contest between Steph and Sabrina Ionescu. Obviously she had an advantage with the smaller ball. So what? It was fun and entertaining and there’s nothing wrong with a handicap match (done all the time in amateur golf). I don’t think Steph would have been devastated if she had beat him.

Women’s BB is far more watchable than it used to be. No, it’s not NBA level. Neither is HS or College ball and people watch those.

 

[Lee]

I am happy for women ball fans and Clark and their growth as a sport. I only hate that it has to be on tv all day. No different than if you’re listening to the radio and your favorite station starts to play a genre you like it’s a minor annoyance I now have to keep flipping to find a station I enjoy while the stations I have saved are playing what I find to be a worse product. I’ll move on and and just save the stations that play what I like. I’m just having a discussion on a forum. I’m not that upset.

All major conferences have networks now, there is fox sports network espn has 4 networks, so much mens basketball is on tv. Does it really matter there is more womans games on now? Its not really at the expense of mens games, just an additional choice you can choose not to watch.

I am a huge Purdue fan, I did not miss one Purdue game all year. I also did not watch one woman's Purdue game all year, caught a few Iowa games because of Caitlin and a few tourney games because I like sports.

MY point is its weird to me that you are upset you have extra choices, that is why it comes off as misogynists to me, its one thing to not want to watch it, but its a whole different thing to actually be upset you have to flip past it when watching tv.

Hey, I live in Phoenix, tons of radio stations out here in Spanish, i dont complain about them or care one way or the other, I just flip past them.

 

[AZ_]

I just find women in sports to be ungrateful. You have wnba players for years complaining about their pay, when nobody wanted to watch. Clark or anyone deserves all that is owed to them. I can create a channel making my favorite meals but can’t complain I’m not getting paid like Gordon Ramsey if no one watches.

It’s conceivable (and likely logical) that Clark would make more in a country where women were more well respected, as opposed to vilified unfairly like they do here.

As you’re illustrating here, men don’t really understand the growing popularity of women’s sports, while male sports have largely reached their ceiling and grow through adding female viewership.

Female viewership is rising far more compared to male sports, and gaining more love from the men in the industry as well.



Countries with weaker and insecure men do tend to get loud and whine about it, but it only makes them more popular in the end. As nobody likes hateful opinions like yours and they become common ground.