Cavaliers Trade Ideas: 2022-23 regular season edition

[CavsKermit]

We shouldn't even target Richardson. Aside from 2 seasons his entire career has been pretty shitty. Both the Sixers and Mavs dumped him for bad performances after 1 year. Celtics gave up on him after half a season. His numbers got better in Boston and SA then he had in either Philly or Dallas. But he's not a SF, he's not a good defender and he's not an elite shooter. I don't see how he fits at all.

Richardson is an all NBA defender if the comp is McDermott.

 

[NMCav]

Richardson is an all NBA defender if the comp is McDermott.

I was comparing him to the rest of the NBA not McDermott. Richardson isn't good. He's also another 6-5 wing. He doesn't fit what the team needs at all.

 

[CavsKermit]

I was comparing him to the rest of the NBA not McDermott. Richardson isn't good. He's also another 6-5 wing. He doesn't fit what the team needs at all.

Well, Dallas isn't giving up Bullock in-season for anything we'd offer. Burks is doable but the Pistons will want to hold out for the best offer.

Reddish would involve us eating Fournier (and Knicks may be too mad to deal with us anyway).

Hayward is a huge injury risk.

That's the in-season list for what we have to offer.

 

[NMCav]

Well, Dallas isn't giving up Bullock in-season for anything we'd offer. Burks is doable but the Pistons will want to hold out for the best offer.

Reddish would involve us eating Fournier (and Knicks may be too mad to deal with us anyway).

Hayward is a huge injury risk.

That's the in-season list for what we have to offer.

Trading for Richardson would just be trading to make a trade. He isn't a upgrade on what we currently have. So why trade for him?

 

[I'mWithDan]

Trading for Richardson would just be trading to make a trade. He isn't a upgrade on what we currently have. So why trade for him?

Richardson is a far better player than Cedi, who is poised to play big minutes for us. While he dipped a bit as he has bounced around, he has proven to be a starting caliber player in the NBA.

3 of that last 5 seasons, he's posted a 2+ WAR. Cedi has posted a WAR of 1+ a single time (19-20 season).......and defensively, Richardson has shown the ability to be as good of a defender as Okoro, while also supplying reliable outside shooting on volume. He's 36.5% on 1900 career attempts. He's a decent connector at 4.5 AST per 100 and he rebounds on par with Isaac.

To me, he's a great buy low candidate, who can be asked to just do what he is good at. See if he can't reclaim his form from 19-20......where he was a really good rotational piece for the Sixers, who went 43-30 that season.

 

[NMCav]

Richardson is a far better player than Cedi, who is poised to play big minutes for us. While he dipped a bit as he has bounced around, he has proven to be a starting caliber player in the NBA.

3 of that last 5 seasons, he's posted a 2+ WAR. Cedi has posted a WAR of 1+ a single time (19-20 season).......and defensively, Richardson has shown the ability to be as good of a defender as Okoro, while also supplying reliable outside shooting on volume. He's 36.5% on 1900 career attempts. He's a decent connector at 4.5 AST per 100 and he rebounds on par with Isaac.

To me, he's a great buy low candidate, who can be asked to just do what he is good at. See if he can't reclaim his form from 19-20......where he was a really good rotational piece for the Sixers, who went 43-30 that season.

Richardson and Cedi have nothing to do with each other. Richardson isn't a SF. What the team needs is a SF. We don't need another 6-5 SG who we force to play up a position. We need to find an actual SF.

 

[I'mWithDan]

Richardson and Cedi have nothing to do with each other. Richardson isn't a SF. What the team needs is a SF. We don't need another 6-5 SG who we force to play up a position. We need to find an actual SF.

In his career, Richardson has played Small Forward 42% of the time.

He's long and athletic enough to do it.....which is the big differentiating factor here. It isn't forcing a guy to do anything. He has already reliably played the spot almost half his NBA minutes. He's a versatile wing that can fill at both spots and certainly can capably play the 3 with the mix of guys we have.

In one of the best years of his career, with Miami, he played Small Forward 55% of the time. His 4 years in Miami, his longest stint with one team, he played Small Forward 60% of the time.

 

[NMCav]

In his career, Richardson has played Small Forward 42% of the time.

He's long and athletic enough to do it.....which is the big differentiating factor here. It isn't forcing a guy to do anything. He has already reliably played the spot almost half his NBA minutes. He's a versatile wing that can fill at both spots and certainly can capably play the 3 with the mix of guys we have.

In one of the best years of his career, with Miami, he played Small Forward 55% of the time. His 4 years in Miami, his longest stint with one team, he played Small Forward 60% of the time.

Last 3 seasons. In Philly he played SG 73% of the time. In Dallas he played SG 80% of the time. In Boston he played SG 82% of the time. And in SA he played SG 66% of the time. What he did in Miami is irrelevant. He's been primarily a SG for the past 3 seasons. Aside from this past season he's been a subpar shooter in both Philly (34%) and Dallas (33%). Aside from early production in Miami Richardson has always been worse then advertised. He has no stand out skills. And despite you pulling up his SF playing which was inflated from Miami. He's been a SG. And he isn't a good defender at SG or SF. Richardson simply isn't a good target for this team.

 

[I'mWithDan]

Last 3 seasons. In Philly he played SG 73% of the time. In Dallas he played SG 80% of the time. In Boston he played SG 82% of the time. And in SA he played SG 66% of the time.

Tobias Harris, Jayson Tatum, Jaylen Brown, Keldon Johnson, Luka Doncic.

If we had one of those guys at small forward, it wouldn't be a worthwhile add.

But we don't. Which is the point.

 

[JJ_PR]

I'm not the greatest @ making trades but I just came up with one that I think would benefit us. Mobley is better suited as a 5, at least in a year or two.

Cleveland receives: Jonathan Kuminga, Moses Moody & James Wiseman
Golden State receives: Jarrett Allen

Why?
Cleveland goes with Mobley @ C, making Allen expendable. They get three good young players.
Golden State gets a proven all-star who is a perfect fit next to their big 4 of Curry, Klay, Wiggins & Green.

If the Mobley @ C experiment fails, you have Wiseman ready to start next to him while sliding Kuminga back to the SF.

PG: Garland / Rubio / Neto
SG: Mitchell / LeVert / Okoro
SF: Moody / Osman / Windler / Stevens
PF: Kuminga / Love / Wade
C: Mobley / Wiseman / Lopez
Coach: J.B. Bickerstaff

 

[foucault87]

I'm not the greatest @ making trades but I just came up with one that I think would benefit us. Mobley is better suited as a 5, at least in a year or two.

Cleveland receives: Jonathan Kuminga, Moses Moody & James Wiseman
Golden State receives: Jarrett Allen

Why?
Cleveland goes with Mobley @ C, making Allen expendable. They get three good young players.
Golden State gets a proven all-star who is a perfect fit next to their big 4 of Curry, Klay, Wiggins & Green.

If the Mobley @ C experiment fails, you have Wiseman ready to start next to him while sliding Kuminga back to the SF.

PG: Garland / Rubio / Neto
SG: Mitchell / LeVert / Okoro
SF: Moody / Osman / Windler / Stevens
PF: Kuminga / Love / Wade
C: Mobley / Wiseman / Lopez
Coach: J.B. Bickerstaff

Golden state isn't trading moody and kumjnga for less than an all nba guy

 

[adam81king]

I'm not the greatest @ making trades but I just came up with one that I think would benefit us. Mobley is better suited as a 5, at least in a year or two.

Cleveland receives: Jonathan Kuminga, Moses Moody & James Wiseman
Golden State receives: Jarrett Allen

Why?
Cleveland goes with Mobley @ C, making Allen expendable. They get three good young players.
Golden State gets a proven all-star who is a perfect fit next to their big 4 of Curry, Klay, Wiggins & Green.

If the Mobley @ C experiment fails, you have Wiseman ready to start next to him while sliding Kuminga back to the SF.

PG: Garland / Rubio / Neto
SG: Mitchell / LeVert / Okoro
SF: Moody / Osman / Windler / Stevens
PF: Kuminga / Love / Wade
C: Mobley / Wiseman / Lopez
Coach: J.B. Bickerstaff

Mobley isnt better at the 5. He would break if you made him battle Jojo and Jokic 7 games a year.

 

[letgocavs]

Where's bol bol? Cava should be looking to trade for him to start the 3.

 

[adam81king]

Where's bol bol? Cava should be looking to trade for him to start the 3.

Orlando...with Mo Bamba.

 

[inliner311]

About Jordan Hall, I get the idea of the move, but why was he not drafted if he's got that upside? I didn't see anywhere that said he was drafted. I know basketball is two rounds (so it's easy to fall through the cracks), I am just figuring out why he fell through?

Jordan Hall was indeed not drafted. I think he fell because NBA teams focused on his lack of athleticism too much over him being a good basketball player. He definitely has a high basketball IQ. I think NBA teams over thought his lack of athleticism and decided he might not be able to keep up at the NBA level.

While he didn't look great at summer league because the Spurs asked him to play off the ball constantly, he did look fine keeping up with wing size players. He didn't look noticably slow by any means out there. He might not be able to guard fast PGs but putting him on a wing didn't seem like an issue. He is a point forward or point wing, not a PG that will defend another PG.

He is currently on a two way contract so I'm not sure when he is eligible to be traded. I'm not sure the Cavs would have interest in him unless he gets some NBA games under his belt. I doubt his summer league performance would massively change a teams view on him from not going after him as a undrafted free agent to trying to trade for him. Jordan Hall only got his two way contract after summer league and another player getting picked off the Spurs summer league roster by the Heat. If a team had more interest than the Spurs they could have given him a two way contract right after the draft and probably secured him.

He may have been picked off by another team at summer league if he got to play the point and was asked to defend wings still. I think the Spurs strategically asked him to play off the ball so they could hold off making a decision on him and a couple other guys.