Cedi Osman Goodbye & Good Luck

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

I always felt like the Cedi was destined to play with Lebron. So Lakers? lol.

What's their pick situation?

Suns are a good target if Love is involved. Still, if the Cavs really think about trading Cedi they should wait probably till next year at least as his value can only climb. Love's value otoh can only go down, so as soon as he string a few good games we need to see what his market is. Perhaps we really need to showcase him.

I really like Cedi, but if the Cavs do want to trade him they have to make sure they have someone they want in the draft and is going to last until their pick, so perhaps draft day trades are better, but then there are obviously less desperate contenders.

It's just a shame that he did not grow as I envisioned. Maybe it's not too late, but his projection on this team is not looking too good.

 

[mhi]

I thought Nance's contract was an overpay, even by today's NBA standards. This one is probably right, but I would have done a 2+1(un-guaranteed) instead of 3+1. The idea being that in two years, I should have enough wing prospects via the draft or trades that he won't be playing for me, and I take away a leverage point from buyers at the same time.

 

[inliner311]

I've also wondered if the Cavs' goal is to use Cedi to move a guy like Love for fair value?

I think they see Cedi as part of the wing rotation going forward. He is the only wing that can currently play PF out of the young guys. I think if Koby is committed to Sexton and Garland that a large group of wings is necessary going forward. The NBA keeps trending to use more and more wing players too. Getting wings on good contracts should be a priority going forward.

If we move Love at some point we probably need 5 wings in the rotation unless we find another true PF to take his place. My guess is we look at trying to get another big wing as a PF.

 

[NMCav]

I thought Nance's contract was an overpay, even by today's NBA standards. This one is probably right, but I would have done a 2+1(un-guaranteed) instead of 3+1. The idea being that in two years, I should have enough wing prospects via the draft or trades that he won't be playing for me, and I take away a leverage point from buyers at the same time.

I don't really see Nance as an over pay in years 3 and 4 of his deal when hes under 10 Million. If used properly he's a good energy big for 20 MPG sometimes 25 MPG. But the fact that they seem to want to use him like Lamar Odom and turn him into a point forward lessens his value.

The team needs to contain the player and utilize his strengths. We are currently hurting his value by giving him the green light to be a moron.

 

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

I thought Nance's contract was an overpay, even by today's NBA standards. This one is probably right, but I would have done a 2+1(un-guaranteed) instead of 3+1. The idea being that in two years, I should have enough wing prospects via the draft or trades that he won't be playing for me, and I take away a leverage point from buyers at the same time.

Why shorten the contract when the cap is projected to go up? The thing with china kinda puts it at risk, but still.
You also want a cheap wing player by the time you have a good team and it is bound to happen in the next 4 years.

 

[Cavatt]

Brown had a defensive rating of 106, Cedi's was 118

Cedi's is at 93 so far this year lol

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Honestly, I really do not think Cedi is a net positive player, nor do I think he will ever become one as a starter/key cog.

The great thing about this contract is, if I am wrong, holy steal, batman. If I am right, though, a contender may be able to talk themselves into Cedi as a back-of-the-rotation wing who can learn to defend well in the right system. I.E., it is a super tradable contract.

Cedi is a difficult player to evaluate. In his time on the court with LBJ, where he was asked to be a complementary player in a predictable offense, he looked pretty good. But if you put him in with a bunch of other guys who don't really know what they're doing, who miss assignments and/or don't make the correct "basketball play", and where he is expected to create routinely his own shot, he's not going to look good at all.

Defensively, he seems to me to be a guy who is constantly hedging to help other guys who aren't in position, and the result is that he doesn't guard his man as closely. The "penalty" for his being team oriented is a poor individual defensive ranking that I don't think fairly represents his ability to contribute on that end.

He's the kind of guy who will look much better on a contending team than he will on a crappy one.

 

[Cavatt]

Cedi is a difficult player to evaluate. In his time on the court with LBJ, where he was asked to be a complementary player in a predictable offense, he looked pretty good. But if you put him in with a bunch of other guys who don't really know what they're doing, who miss assignments and/or don't make the correct "basketball play", and where he is expected to create routinely his own shot, he's not going to look good at all.

Defensively, he seems to me to be a guy who is constantly hedging to help other guys who aren't in position, and the result is that he doesn't guard his man as closely. The "penalty" for his being team oriented is a poor individual defensive ranking that I don't think fairly represents his ability to contribute on that end.

He's the kind of guy who will look much better on a contending team than he will on a crappy one.

Yeah people used to use this as a way to say AV was a bad defender at the rim. He was always trying to cover another guy and his man would get the ball and dunk it with no secondary help. If your defense is clicking and the secondary help comes, it completely changes the numbers there.

I think Cedi is going to have good year. I think the perception of his success though is going to completely rest on his ability to catch and shoot consistently.

Spender Davies said that in practice Cedi hits most of his off the dribble 3's and struggles with his form on catch and shoots. That is a little troubling as that is his most likely shot

 

[Daniel89]

In today's NBA Cedi's contract is definitely a steal.

This.

 

[greenlaker]

Cedi is a difficult player to evaluate. In his time on the court with LBJ, where he was asked to be a complementary player in a predictable offense, he looked pretty good. But if you put him in with a bunch of other guys who don't really know what they're doing, who miss assignments and/or don't make the correct "basketball play", and where he is expected to create routinely his own shot, he's not going to look good at all.

Defensively, he seems to me to be a guy who is constantly hedging to help other guys who aren't in position, and the result is that he doesn't guard his man as closely. The "penalty" for his being team oriented is a poor individual defensive ranking that I don't think fairly represents his ability to contribute on that end.

He's the kind of guy who will look much better on a contending team than he will on a crappy one.

I've been meaning to say this for a long time. So well put! Thanks.

 

[NobodyImportant]

The contract is only a steal if Cedi turns into a league average wing.

 

[Cavatt]

The contract is only a steal if Cedi turns into a league average wing.

What are the numbers for a league average wing? Who is a league average wing?

 

[mhi]

Why shorten the contract when the cap is projected to go up? The thing with china kinda puts it at risk, but still.
You also want a cheap wing player by the time you have a good team and it is bound to happen in the next 4 years.

Basically what am saying is that by the time we have a "good team" he likely wouldn't be in the rotation, unless he improves from what he is today. If he does improve, the contract is awesome and it should be longer. If he doesn't and he ends up in that scenario (out of the rotation on a good team) we won't be able to showcase him for a potential trade.

 

[Cavatt]

Basically what am saying is that by the time we have a "good team" he likely wouldn't be in the rotation, unless he improves from what he is today. If he does improve, the contract is awesome and it should be longer. If he doesn't and he ends up in that scenario (out of the rotation on a good team) we won't be able to showcase him for a potential trade.

He could be a backup 2/3 off the bench no problem. On a good team as a role player he is ready right now IMO. To become a starter he needs to improve but like a little bit in a few areas.

 

[chuck0609]

No.

It's reasonable even if he regresses. It's a steal if he stays the same and if he improves and become a legit starter then Koby fucked Cedi in the ass bank robbery.

It's basically MLE money for a young, 6'8.5 wing.

Even if he regresses? At his current levels what is he on a playoff team? 8th man? If he gets worse he doesn’t see the court. Not sure that equals good money spent.
Cedi needs to make a marked jump in consistency this year.
At some point they need to spend money on the young guys, sure. Let’s hope he’s worth it.