Cleveland Browns 2020 Regular Season: What a Ride!

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

Oh my god dude. Baker Mayfield was the #1 overall pick in the draft. Stop treating this dude like he was a mid round pick that worked his way into the job. He was handed the job. He didn't have to compete for shit this season. All this crap about a new playbook doesn't seem to bother the offensive line or the running game. Looked good to me. I think the oline was solid. Are they learning a different system than Baker?

This post reeks of ignorance.

The difference in responsibilities between a running back, an offensive lineman, and a quarterback are immense, and obvious.

Btw, back on the topic of actually pertinent discussion, Takitaki looked awful, but so did Vernon. Sendejo's lack of athleticism really showed up big as well. If you replace him with Delpit, that's a huge difference right there--especially on covering Andrews and attacking downhill into the flat on the running game.

 

[Chris]

You looking for a generational talent?

Newsflash. There’s only 3 elite QB’s in the league.. odds are we aren’t getting one of them no matter who the fuck we pick next.

Nope, someone who can be a top ten QB in the NFl preferably at some point in their career rather than bottom 2.

 

[Bob_The_Cat]

Like we said earlier... He has to get to at least a Kirk Cousins ish level for us to be successful..

It's bonkers to me that today we're putting so much on Baker, when we got absolutely DOMINATED in all 3 facets of the game yesterday...

The defense needs to be taking more slack because they fucking STUNK on the back end.

I think most people expected the defense to not be any good, which is why they likely aren’t going to take a lot of heat most weeks.

However, there’s a ton of talent on the offensive end, to the point where a lot of the blame has to fall on Baker’s shoulders if things don’t work.

The more I watch Baker play, I think the book on him is minimal blitzing, disguise coverage, and drop as many people as possible to force him to make a read and make a throw. Make him stay in the pocket and make a read. He hasn’t really shown he’s capable of doing that consistently. Until he’s capable of beating teams with quick reads and intermediate routes, defenses will load the box to stop the run.

 

[Los216]

This post reeks of ignorance.

The difference in responsibilities between a running back, an offensive lineman, and a quarterback are immense, and obvious.

Btw, back on the topic of actually pertinent discussion, Takitaki looked awful, but so did Vernon. Sendejo's lack of athleticism really showed up big as well. If you replace him with Delpit, that's a huge difference right there--especially on covering Andrews and attacking downhill into the flat on the running game.

Ignorance? We're still making excuses as to why our QB who was the #1 overall pick in the draft still doesn't look competent?

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

Ignorance? We're still making excuses as to why our QB who was the #1 overall pick in the draft still doesn't look competent?

It's been explained time and again to you. To the point of exhaustion.

Literally just wasting time at this point. The Browns aren't and shouldn't move on from him after one week with a new head coach and a limited off season.

 

[Los216]

I think most people expected the defense to not be any good, which is why they likely aren’t going to take a lot of heat most weeks.

However, there’s a ton of talent on the offensive end, to the point where a lot of the blame has to fall on Baker’s shoulders if things don’t work.

The more I watch Baker play, I think the book on him is minimal blitzing, disguise coverage, and drop as many people as possible to force him to make a read and make a throw. Make him stay in the pocket and make a read. He hasn’t really shown he’s capable of doing that consistently. Until he’s capable of beating teams with quick reads and intermediate routes, defenses will load the box to stop the run.

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

Ignorance? We're still making excuses as to why our QB who was the #1 overall pick in the draft still doesn't look competent?

There's nothing wrong with criticizing Baker's play.

You said that because an offensive line and a running back learned a new system, that a QB should be the same. That's just not an informed line of logic.

Oh, and the offensive line certainly struggled. Wills continues to look rough on the left side.

 

[Los216]

There's nothing wrong with criticizing Baker's play.

You said that because an offensive line and a running back learned a new system, that a QB should be the same. That's just not an informed line of logic.

Oh, and the offensive line certainly struggled. Wills continues to look rough on the left side.

I brought up the system because it's not just one guy who is learning a new system but I saw one guy on the offensive side of the ball who was making the same mistakes as last season. Baker. There was one guy who looked like he regressed. Baker. All of the other facets of the offense that are also learning this new system did not look like they regressed.

And Rex Ryan and Dan Orlovsky described exactly what we saw yesterday and that was from nearly a year to the date.

 

[Surge]

@Triplethreat I put a lot of the offensive struggles on Baker for a couple specific reasons.

He seemed to look at his first read for a long time. When it was clear the first option was covered, he bailed out of his pocket (mostly to the right) was largely innacurate, and threw off balance on nearly every throw. Receivers were running wide open while he was focused on a single read.

I'll wait for the PFF breakdown, but to my eyes, the offensive line played very well compared to my expectations of them against the Ravens. Pass protection seemed ok for the most part, and before we got really behind we were running effectively.

I'll give him some rope because of the new coaching. But all the things listed above are things that have been known issues of his and have nothing to do with a short offseason.

 

[Los216]

It's been explained time and again to you. To the point of exhaustion.

Literally just wasting time at this point. The Browns aren't and shouldn't move on from him after one week with a new head coach and a limited off season.

Is sitting him down and letting Case Keenum play moving on from him or trying to win games?

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

There's nothing wrong with criticizing Baker's play.

You said that because an offensive line and a running back learned a new system, that a QB should be the same. That's just not an informed line of logic.

Oh, and the offensive line certainly struggled. Wills continues to look rough on the left side.

I think he was up and down, but the line as a whole looked pretty good.

Comparing any other position to why a QB might struggle with a new system is, at best, laughable. Tom Brady, the greatest QB in NFL history, struggled learning that new system this off season. Phillip Rivers did. Baker has already done this twice now, 4th offensive coordinator in 3 years. Combine that with a hilariously bad offensive line in year 2 and poor coaching, the Browns have to hope that it gets better.

Not sure it will, mind you. But you have to have a longer leash than one goddamn game for fucks sake.

 

[Randolphkeys]

@Los216 and @Triplethreat are in a war of hyperbole. It's been going on for over two years. How about we move into a more diagnostic examination of Baker?

The end of 2018, Baker took defenses by surprise. He didn't take the easy high percentage throws in the middle of the field or safety valve throws to running backs. He attacked vertically, and safeties were taken by surprise. After he hit a few low percentage down field throws, the crowd went wild - remember his hot streak was mostly home games - and the team fed off his swagger.

How did Lamar Jackson beat the Browns yesterday?

He hit high percentage throws in the middle of the field and threatened the defense with a longer Marquise Brown throw and his own legs.

Put pressure on the defense, take the easy ones.

Baker needs to begin picking and choosing his "home run" swings. It's getting predictable.

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

Is sitting him down and letting Case Keenum play moving on from him or trying to win games?

The second you bench Baker, you are moving on from him.

 

[daddywags]

The defense is bad and it's going to stay bad because we don't have enough good players at LB and DB to be even average IMO. Losing Schobert, Kirksey, Wilson, Delpit and Greedy without decent replacements set us too far back to become a good defense this year. It is what it is and we will just have to deal with it. Any competent passing game is going to torch us. Which is why our offense has to be a nearly elite ball control monster for us to win 9 games. Thing is, our offense has the personnel to be an elite ball control monster. All the pieces are there, depending on the performance of the driver.

 

[Surge]

@Los216 and @Triplethreat are in a war of hyperbole. It's been going on for over two years. How about we move into a more diagnostic examination of Baker?

The end of 2018, Baker took defenses by surprise. He didn't take the easy high percentage throws in the middle of the field or safety valve throws to running backs. He attacked vertically, and safeties were taken by surprise. After he hit a few low percentage Dow field throws, the crowd went wild - remember his hot streak was mostly home games - and the team fed off his swagger.

How did Lamar Jackson beat the Browns yesterday?

He hit high percentage throws in the middle of the field and threatened the defense with a longer Marquise Brown throw and his own legs.

Put pressure on the defense, take the easy ones.

Baker needs to begin picking and choosing his "home run" swings. It's getting predictable.

Just as an asterisk on Lamars passing, SEVERAL times his passes were very innacurate but his TE or WR made plays for him. Our WRs (other than Njoku once and Landry once) made absolutely no plays for the offense.