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Re: Stark: Coco on the south of 50/50 to be traded

I could go either way on this. But I see why they want to do this.

We have longly lacked a power hitting 3rd baseman.And in a little while Marte will hti 30 HR's in a season. He gives us a prospect at 3rd that could hit 30hr in a season.
 
Re: Stark: Coco on the south of 50/50 to be traded

our outfield situation is the biggest concern on this team after this trade.
 
Re: Stark: Coco on the south of 50/50 to be traded

We come out on top.....
 
Re: Stark: Coco on the south of 50/50 to be traded

You are a disgrace LePip.
 
Re: Stark: Coco on the south of 50/50 to be traded

You don't mean it
 
Re: Stark: Coco on the south of 50/50 to be traded

I'm with Pip, I like the deal. The Indians were gonna move into this year with the exact same team from a year ago. You see where that got us, and no way we keep up with the White Sox again with the offseason they've had.

Had Shapiro not made a few deals, you guys would be in here 5 months from now bitching about what I just mentioned. Look no further than the threads below this one to find out how you feel about our offseason thus far. Mark had to make a move and Coco was/is very expendable. Average outfielder with a consistent (but not great) OBP. Time will tell.

BTW Pip, WTF is with the terrible towel? That's just wrong man.
 
Re: Stark: Coco on the south of 50/50 to be traded

Wow I swear you "fans" wouldnt know a good deal if it came up and bit you in the ass. I love Coco about as much as anyone, I even have a cat named after him but this was an absolute no brainer for Shapiro. He and every other GM would have made this move. Marte will be an absolute monster and if we have to lose Coco to get him I am more than willing to pay that price. I wish for once that some of you guys on here would get off of Shapiro's back and realize that he is one of the absolute best in baseball and knows 10 to 12 times more about baseball then any of us. I would love to talk to you guys in a year and see just exactly how you feel about it then. Some of you, if you are old enough, are probably the same guys so against trading Colon but I would bet you all like Sizemore and Lee quite a bit dont you? Hell Ill bet you all were even against trading Finley for some unknown OF prospect with a funny cereal sounding name to begin with. This will go down as one of the best trades for the Indians orginazation without a doubt.
 
Re: Stark: Coco on the south of 50/50 to be traded

i was pissed at the colon trade because it just said prospects. From what I have hear this Marte guy is a stud so we gained some ground their, but now we need someone to take the l.f. spot, and jason dubois should not be the answer.
 
Re: Stark: Coco on the south of 50/50 to be traded

Its the scope of this whole off-season,w e dont have management that wants to win a world series.

And this deal proves it.

Coco is gonna be a gold glover, def not an avg outfielder. Plus he carries a .300 stick, again, not an average OF.
 
Re: Stark: Coco on the south of 50/50 to be traded

The appeal of Marte isn't his average, he projects to around a .275-.280 hitter, but rather his power. He could easily be a 30 HR guy at 3B, who will provide Gold Glove-caliber defense. Tell me how many 30 HR 3B there are in baseball today and how the Indians were going to fill that position long-term? Aaron Boone was probably one of the best FA 3B signing of the past two years, and he has had very mediocre years here. You cannot sign a FA 3B with any semblence of talent without destroying the bank. So, instead, the Indians just got the best 3B prospect in baseball, a guy who compares well at his age to Matt Williams and Mike Schmidt in terms of development. All this for a slightly above-average OF.

Coco will likely win a Gold Glove at some point, but more for the fact he'll now be a Red Sox than his actual ability. He has excellent speed and gets a good read off the bat, but has one of the worst arms in baseball. He is Johnny Damon without the OBP and former facial hair. The thing is, what seperated Johnny Damon from the rest of CFs was his OBP.

If the deal happens where the Indians then turn around and acquire Jason Michaels from Philly, it gets even better. Michaels does have the OBP to play at the top of the order for a year or two until Snyder/Gutierrez/Francisco are ready to step in and take over. Michaels also has a much better arm in the OF and has a decent amount of speed, although like Crisp doesn't steal well.

I know the fans liked Coco, but this team just filled their only real long-term gap in the organization. There was no 3B that was not AT LEAST two years away from being major league ready, and that is Kouzmanoff who doesn't project as a power-hitting 3B. To fill that gap, they had to give up a player who plays a position of organizational strength in LF. Within a year all of Snyder, Gutierrez, Francisco and Mulhern may be ready to take over in LF/RF.

Great trade for the Indians, IMO.
 
Re: Stark: Coco on the south of 50/50 to be traded

Great to have Michaels, who is on probation for beating the crap out of his wife.

Nice pick up.
 
Re: Stark: Coco on the south of 50/50 to be traded

I think he fits right in...

We are going all the way this year.... I can feel it.
 
Re: Stark: Coco on the south of 50/50 to be traded

I really don't feel like ragging on Shapiro. It's quite the hip thing to do every year, but he tends to come out on top.

He brought us Grady Sizemore, Travis Hafner, got the best out of Millwood... We haven't signed bums & injury prones to elongated contracts (Thome, soon to be Millwood). One big miss was losing Manny Ramirez... but we afforded it with the emergence of Hafner.

He brought up Coco... and turns out that Coco is a great player.. But he's a CF, and you just gotta choose between Coco and Sizemore... it becomes obvious what you do.

Let's just hope that Marte turns out to be the great prospect everyone raves about.

And I do like a shakeup in the batting lineup... Who's going to bat #2 now though...
 
Re: Stark: Coco on the south of 50/50 to be traded

LyXo said:
And I do like a shakeup in the batting lineup... Who's going to bat #2 now though...

1- Sizemore CF
2- Peralta SS
3- Marte 3B
4- Hafner DH
5- Martinez C
6- LF
7- Broussard 1B
8- Blake RF
9- Boone 1B

I'd like to see Franklin G. given a chance to take some quality at bats as well.
 
Re: Stark: Coco on the south of 50/50 to be traded

CavsPilot said:
1- Sizemore CF
2- Peralta SS
3- Marte 3B
4- Hafner DH
5- Martinez C
6- LF
7- Broussard 1B
8- Blake RF
9- Boone 1B

I'd like to see Franklin G. given a chance to take some quality at bats as well.


two firstbasemen?

what about garko?
 

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