Collin Sexton | The Young Bull

[The Human Q-Tip]

Trae is a much better distributor than Collin, but he still seems like fool's gold when you get deeper into the playoffs and defenses get tighter.

Collin started showing ability to play off the ball last year. Trae just doesn't have that, and he's not as good of an outside shooter. He's very ball-dominant, and gives you less than nothing defensively. An offense built around Trae Young is going to be too easy to derail when it runs up against a tough on-ball defender at PG. Frustrate him, and the Hawks offensive machine starts getting really clunky. That's easier to do in the playoffs where refs normally have permitted more physical play, and is likely to be even more true with the new rules about contact by shooters.

I just think building an offense around a high-usage but shrimpy PG works much better in the regular season than it will in the playoffs. That's particularly true when that PG is getting the max, which means it is harder to build a team around him.

 

[MNCavsfan]

Trae is a much better distributor than Collin, but he still seems like fool's gold when you get deeper into the playoffs and defenses get tighter.

Collin started showing ability to play off the ball last year. Trae just doesn't have that, and he's not as good of an outside shooter. He's very ball-dominant, and gives you less than nothing defensively. An offense built around Trae Young is going to be too easy to derail when it runs up against a tough on-ball defender at PG. Frustrate him, and the Hawks offensive machine starts getting really clunky. That's easier to do in the playoffs where refs normally have permitted more physical play, and is likely to be even more true with the new rules about contact by shooters.

I just think building an offense around a high-usage but shrimpy PG works much better in the regular season than it will in the playoffs. That's particularly true when that PG is getting the max, which means it is harder to build a team around him.

I feel like I just watched him beat a team with 3 all NBA defenders and the second best defensive rating in the NBA in a seven game series? Was that a fever dream?

 

[Lee]

I just think building an offense around a high-usage but shrimpy PG works much better in the regular season than it will in the playoffs. That's particularly true when that PG is getting the max, which means it is harder to build a team around him.

Yeah, didnt work out for Curry and GS at all.

Honestly I think its a bit early to know what Trae is going to become. He has already proved me wrong so far, he seems to be worth taking the risk for the Max on.

Garland might play himself into a max player too, another Shrimpy PG. CP3? Lillard? Nash?

I know they dont have Titles, and might be your point, but Curry is 6'3 and rail thin, there is a blue print and i get he is the best all time shooter, but Trae is looking kind of special and CP3 just made the finals, Nash had a long rung, and i would love to have an opportunity to max out Dame

 

[Ozone]

If they do ultimately trade Sexton to a team putting him back where he belongs at the 1 he could easily outplay the level he has reached in CLE the past 2 seasons next to Garland.
I was going through some old stuff trying to recall a beef between Sexton and some kid named Jaylen Hands. Didn't find it but I did find this tape where Sexton shows off flashes of elite level passing and finishing in NHS & MAA games that if he was playing the 1 with real teammates like Mobley .We would probably see a lot of it if he was not stuck next to Garland. So maybe he does come off the bench in time,if Garland hangs around, but as is Sexton will probably have to prove he was always this guy, for someone else, as long as Garland and Rubio are running the point here.
I find it naive and pretty pathetic the amount of short sighted comments people spew about how he is not a capable floor general, because he is not passing from a score first position and responsibility, when the reality is he has always shown pre nba court vision, despite going full race horse in the NBA with the green light he has had. But he did show a little more willingness the pass late season with garland injured again.
here is the old tape I am sure I will get some laughing emoji as the main weak water drip response from the Klutch scratch and sniff crowd.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

I know they dont have Titles, and might be your point, but Curry is 6'3 and rail thin, there is a blue print and i get he is the best all time shooter, but Trae is looking kind of special and CP3 just made the finals, Nash had a long rung, and i would love to have an opportunity to max out Dame

Curry is a very good off-ball player, which means a defense focused just on stopping/trapping him doesn't work nearly as well.

 

[Lee]

Curry is a very good off-ball player, which means a defense focused just on stopping/trapping him doesn't work nearly as well.

As his shooting develops, Trae could develop off ball too.

 

[Ozone]

I feel like I just watched him beat a team with 3 all NBA defenders and the second best defensive rating in the NBA in a seven game series? Was that a fever dream?

Trae for all his antics good or bad based on elite basketball IQ, is probably going to come back to earth a little after the rule changes. He does not defend at all either which was why he was game planned as the player to attack consistently.
I was impressed with how the Bucks adjusted to the initial failed plan to let him have the space he needs to operate as a one man show and shutting down passing lanes only for him to silence the doubters by getting the win all by himself, then the Bucks made the adjustments took him out of his comfort zone, and he choked. I think had he not gotten hurt there would be a lot more scrutiny on him for losing. But the Hawks have overachieved and it was basically all riding on his back.
I don't doubt the Hawks as good of a roster as they have will be a playoff team for awhile, but I am not positive Trae will ever win a ring there after he has to figure out how to create space to shoot instead of just flopping for ft's

 

[adam81king]

Trae for all his antics good or bad based on elite basketball IQ, is probably going to come back to earth a little after the rule changes. He does not defend at all either which was why he was game planned as the player to attack consistently.
I was impressed with how the Bucks adjusted to the initial failed plan to let him have the space he needs to operate as a one man show and shutting down passing lanes only for him to silence the doubters by getting the win all by himself, then the Bucks made the adjustments took him out of his comfort zone, and he choked. I think had he not gotten hurt there would be a lot more scrutiny on him for losing. But the Hawks have overachieved and it was basically all riding on his back.
I don't doubt the Hawks as good of a roster as they have will be a playoff team for awhile, but I am not positive Trae will ever win a ring there after he has to figure out how to create space to shoot instead of just flopping for ft's

Sooo...rules have to change for a player to not be effective anymore? Sounds like he's pretty damn good.

 

[All4One1ForAll]

Trae is a much better distributor than Collin, but he still seems like fool's gold when you get deeper into the playoffs and defenses get tighter.

Collin started showing ability to play off the ball last year. Trae just doesn't have that, and he's not as good of an outside shooter. He's very ball-dominant, and gives you less than nothing defensively. An offense built around Trae Young is going to be too easy to derail when it runs up against a tough on-ball defender at PG. Frustrate him, and the Hawks offensive machine starts getting really clunky. That's easier to do in the playoffs where refs normally have permitted more physical play, and is likely to be even more true with the new rules about contact by shooters.

I just think building an offense around a high-usage but shrimpy PG works much better in the regular season than it will in the playoffs. That's particularly true when that PG is getting the max, which means it is harder to build a team around him.

This is uh...a really weird statement to make when we just watched Trae’s team beat a massive #2 defensive ranked 76ers team in which Young was primarily guarded by 6’10 DPOY runner-up Ben Simmons and then had to deal with 7’2 Joel Embiid manning the paint. Not to mention great help defenders in Matisse Thybulle, Danny Green, and Dwight Howard.

And they came within 2 wins of reaching the NBA Finals lol. In Trae’s third year in the league. With no teammates who are All-Stars or who have EVER made an ASG. Sure he’s not a perfect player and he does need to learn how to improve his off ball abilities but it took Steph until he was 26 years old to truly take that portion of his game to the next level. Trae is 22. I think he’s done pretty well for himself so far and your condemnations of him are ridiculous.

People can’t help themselves from resorting to hot takes when a player or team doesn’t immediately win a title early in their careers, and then it doesn’t take long for them to eat crow. “Jump shooting teams can’t win championships.” Enter the Warriors. “Giannis is a playoff choker and he can’t be the guy.” Wins a title. Hell, look at what people said about LeBron in pre-2012 title.

 

[adam81king]

Trae is a much better distributor than Collin, but he still seems like fool's gold when you get deeper into the playoffs and defenses get tighter.

Collin started showing ability to play off the ball last year. Trae just doesn't have that, and he's not as good of an outside shooter. He's very ball-dominant, and gives you less than nothing defensively. An offense built around Trae Young is going to be too easy to derail when it runs up against a tough on-ball defender at PG. Frustrate him, and the Hawks offensive machine starts getting really clunky. That's easier to do in the playoffs where refs normally have permitted more physical play, and is likely to be even more true with the new rules about contact by shooters.

I just think building an offense around a high-usage but shrimpy PG works much better in the regular season than it will in the playoffs. That's particularly true when that PG is getting the max, which means it is harder to build a team around him.

Trae Young almost carried his team to the NBA Finals in his first playoffs. He beat Ben Simmons, Thybulle and Embiid. Not sure how that's fools gold. Now, if the rules change, that's one thing, but the current League clearly shows his game is top notch.

 

[guitarguy]

I think it is possible to be high on both Sexton and Young. Those two are both ballers and great for the league.

 

[mds]

Nash had a long rung

Quoted for truth.

 

[Cavatt]

This is uh...a really weird statement to make when we just watched Trae’s team beat a massive #2 defensive ranked 76ers team in which Young was primarily guarded by 6’10 DPOY runner-up Ben Simmons and then had to deal with 7’2 Joel Embiid manning the paint. Not to mention great help defenders in Matisse Thybulle, Danny Green, and Dwight Howard.

And they came within 2 wins of reaching the NBA Finals lol. In Trae’s third year in the league. With no teammates who are All-Stars or who have EVER made an ASG. Sure he’s not a perfect player and he does need to learn how to improve his off ball abilities but it took Steph until he was 26 years old to truly take that portion of his game to the next level. Trae is 22. I think he’s done pretty well for himself so far and your condemnations of him are ridiculous.

People can’t help themselves from resorting to hot takes when a player or team doesn’t immediately win a title early in their careers, and then it doesn’t take long for them to eat crow. “Jump shooting teams can’t win championships.” Enter the Warriors. “Giannis is a playoff choker and he can’t be the guy.” Wins a title. Hell, look at what people said about LeBron in pre-2012 title.

We know Philly's weakness is quick guards. Cavs beat them regularly. Cavs won the season series this past year. They say Simmons can guard 1's, but he can't.

 

[fncavsfan]

I feel like I just watched him beat a team with 3 all NBA defenders and the second best defensive rating in the NBA in a seven game series? Was that a fever dream?

So basketball is not a 1 on 5 thing.

Go check out Young's shooting splits in this series and the Hawks were slowed down quite a bit verse the regular season. But fortunately for them the 76ers only had 4 offensive players on the court for a large part of the series. That and Gallo shot lights out.

2021 NBA Eastern Conference Semifinals - Hawks vs. 76ers | Basketball-Reference.com

Summary and statistics for the 2021 NBA Eastern Conference Semifinals - Hawks vs. 76ers

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[Lee]

Quoted for truth.

Nash's apparently wasnt as long as Jason Richardson though.