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Corey Coleman

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The Human Q-Tip said:
The problem with arguing that the Browns didn't get enough for him is that if he was truly a bargain, other teams would have jumped in to try to grab him. The fact that nobody in the league apparently was willing to give up very much for this guy suggests that us fans don't exactly have the full story on him.
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This has me curious. I am guessing he still cant run routes and we have seen he doesn't have great hands. He is an explosive athlete, but it appears he has a character flaw we are unaware of or other teams like the Saints and Patriots would have jumped on him, they also seem to take on WR talent others don't.

Also, if there was a team worse than evaluating WR over the last decade its the Bills, the fact that the Bills are the only team that wanted him says something too.
 
" ... and another 1 down and another 1 gone, another 1 bites the dust ..."

Traded down to avoid Julio Jones, traded down to avoid Carson Wentz.

Eleven first round picks since the Joe Thomas draft & before the last two drafts -- NONE of them with the team.

Can't complain about only receiving a 7th rounder. Indianapolis actually gave us a #1 pick for Trent Richardson. Nobody wants to be the next laughingstock for giving a real asset up for yet another Browns first round pick disaster.

Buffalo probably got protection on the pick so it doesn't convey if it's one of the first ten picks in the round.

I'm convinced we Browns fans are living some kind of distorted Milgram experiment, except we received lethal jolts of electricity years ago and somehow we're still following this team.
 
Binkster said:
So, from everything I've gathered thus far... Corey Coleman:
  • Is injury-prone and oft-injured
  • Is undersized relative to the position average but oversized compared to Gary Coleman
  • Had poor dietary habits
  • Lacked fundamental knowledge of the position (including - but not limited to - where to line up)
  • Refused to fight through contact on multiple occasions
  • Was out past curfew with Kenny fucking Britt and was subsequently disciplined by the team
But yeah... shocking that we didn't get a third round pick.
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The Gary Coleman reference is going to get lost, but is brilliant and needs brought up again, lol
 
In 2 years Corey Coleman showed a very few flashes of being a good wide receiver. 2 broken hands and a couple hamstring injuries. The broken hand injuries were not his fault. The hamstring injuries on the other hand make me wonder about his training habits. He had opportunities to show what he could do and he failed. Add that to pissing off the coaching staff and front office with off field trouble...….gets your dumb ass traded. The fact that we could only get a 7th rd pick for him showed just what other teams thought of him. Hell the WR starved Cowboys would not even give up a pick for him. That should tell you all you need to know.
 
MirORich said:
Well upwards and onwards to AJ McCarron, Nathan Peterman, and Josh Allen!!
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So now that the Browns have 3 QB's better than any we have had over the last 2 years (ok, Stanton is debatable, but living in AZ I have great respect how he handles his business), Coleman gets traded to the team with the worst QB situation in the league.

Its really kind of funny.
 
MirORich said:
Josh has elite size, speed, stride, catch radius, and raw talent all on a massive level up from Coleman.
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This is just flat-out false.

Coleman ran a 4.42 forty, 89th percentile. Gordon ran a 4.57, 38th percentile.

Coleman's burst score was 133.4, 95th percentile. Gordon's was 121.7, 55th percentile.

I don't see info for Gordon's agility or catch radius, but Coleman was 96th and 92nd percentile on both, so it's hard to imagine Gordon had him beat there either.

Gordon does have elite size for the position, I'll give you that, although I wouldn't call Coleman undersized given he's the same height or an inch taller compared to many of the league's elite receivers. As for raw talent, well...as prospects I think Coleman was obviously the better one. He's an absolutely elite athlete who produced at an absurd clip in college (at the same school as Gordon, mind you). Of course, we know now that Gordon is almost certainly the better NFL player, but as a prospect Coleman was as elite as they come and, at the time of the draft, he had none of the baggage Gordon had. Just sometimes elite prospects don't pan out, or need a change of scenery to figure shit out.

We can bag on Coleman, because obviously he didn't work out, but let's not pretend the guy was some dog shit prospect. He was a fantastic WR prospect. It seems like the issue is more between the ears right now than due to lack of talent.
 
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Jack Brickman said:
This is just flat-out false.

Coleman ran a 4.42 forty, 89th percentile. Gordon ran a 4.57, 38th percentile.

Coleman's burst score was 133.4, 95th percentile. Gordon's was 121.7, 55th percentile.

I don't see info for Gordon's agility or catch radius, but Coleman was 96th and 92nd percentile on both, so it's hard to imagine Gordon had him beat there either.

Gordon does have elite size for the position, I'll give you that. As for raw talent, well...as prospects I think Coleman was obviously the better one. He's an absolutely elite athlete who produced at an absurd clip in college (at the same school as Gordon, mind you). Of course, we know now that Gordon is almost certainly the better NFL player, but as a prospect Coleman was as elite as they come and, at the time of the draft, he had none of the baggage Gordon had. Just sometimes elite prospects don't pan out, or need a change of scenery to figure shit out.

We can bag on Coleman, because obviously he didn't work out, but let's not pretend the guy was some dog shit prospect. He was a fantastic WR prospect. It seems like the issue is more between the ears right now than due to lack of talent.
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Two things:

Josh produced immediately on a team with bad QBs and a losing culture. Corey did not.

40 times for those two guys mean nothing. How can you make an argument for Coleman being faster on an actual football field during a game than Gordon, when we’ve seen what Josh does after catching a slant or out in stride and then seperating from virtually any DB in the league. So track gear 40 times be damned, I stand by Josh having elite football speed over Corey.

You also missed the point of my first post. It wasn’t that Corey was a dog shit prospect. It was that the things he lacks in NFL prep received at Baylor, football positional intellige, and work ethic so far have not been able to be overcome by sheer raw talent and physicality. Whereas with Josh, as much as he could be even better with improved technique, route running, and most importantly, availability, you can still essentially just throw the ball in his vicinity and good things happen more often than not. Can’t say that about Corey.
 
Even if the switch goes on for Coleman, it wasn’t going to happen here, period.

If some other team would have offered more, we’d have taken it.

The only issue is as @CBBI mentioned: why play him with the 1’s?

I think we were trying to showcase him and at the same time, let him show us the leap he might have made. Neither happened. We moved on.

This was an overdrafted player on a team hellbent on losing. He’s a casualty of the tank, and it isn’t all his fault. However, if he wasn’t a good egg AND didn’t know where to line up in year 3(!!!), he was clearly not bringing the effort and intensity necessary for our new culture.

I say good riddance and good luck. Him turning the corner was simply NOT going to happen here. Period. Hopefully he gets a strong whiff of the smelling salts and finds his way in Buffalo and beyond.
 
MirORich said:
Two things:

Josh produced immediately on a team with bad QBs and a losing culture. Corey did not.

40 times for those two guys mean nothing. How can you make an argument for Coleman being faster on an actual football field during a game than Gordon, when we’ve seen what Josh does after catching a slant or out in stride and then seperating from virtually any DB in the league. So track gear 40 times be damned, I stand by Josh having elite football speed over Corey.

You also missed the point of my first post. It wasn’t that Corey was a dog shit prospect. It was that the things he lacks in NFL prep received at Baylor, football positional intellige, and work ethic so far have not been able to be overcome by sheer raw talent and physicality. Whereas with Josh, as much as he could be even better with improved technique, route running, and most importantly, availability, you can still essentially just throw the ball in his vicinity and good things happen more often than not. Can’t say that about Corey.
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Thing is, though, that I haven't really seen speed being an issue for Coleman in the NFL. He seems to have little problem breaking coverage and getting open. His main issues have been the injuries, the wildly inconsistent targets, and awful QB play, and clearly some issues between the ears as well.

I'd also disagree that Coleman didn't produce immediately on a team with bad QBs. Gordon's rookie year, he had 50-805-5 and he played every game. Coleman had 33-413-3, and he missed six games. If he plays that full season, I'd wager he finishes right around where Gordon was. Less yards per reception, but given their respective roles (Gordon is basically always a deep threat, whereas Coleman moves around), that makes sense.
 
Well. Is it time to move the Corey Coleman thread to Around the NFL yet?
 
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