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[Mr. Orange]

I can't remember where i saw this, maybe here, but Europe has two types of countries, those with multigenerational households (A) and those that are not multigenerational (B)

The A countries are experiencing high infection and death rates....Italy and Spain as they have old and young together. The B countries like Germany and UK doing better so far.

 

[Randolphkeys]

Has to be the cultural thing and and kissing of the cheek. I mean, what’s the number one thing every report says to stop the spread? Don’t touch your face.

I have a feeling Italy is going to get really, really ugly based on this one simple fact.

I participated in a project for a co-worker who has a science-related doctorate and somehow teaches middle school science. She asked me to keep track of how often I touch my face while working on a laptop for one hour.

I'm telling you, I was very conscious of not touching my face because I'd have to release the number, but I still hit 21 in an hour. I've been washing my hands more often ever since that experience.

 

[Mr. Orange]

Lack of medical equipment/massive surge.

They simply don't have enough to deal with their infected.

The death numbers are frightening. Basically a 50/50 at this point of surviving if you contract it in Italy.

This just isn't true. Check out the stats here

Italy COVID: 4,281,214 Cases and 127,851 Deaths - Worldometer

Italy Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.

www.worldometers.info

Like 10% of cases are critical. But they have overwhelmed the system.

 

[KB]

I was under the impression it was because not everyone who needed it got a ventilator? They just put people in beds and they die. They are just over capacity with how fast everyone got sick.

Aside from the ventilator issue I wouldn't be surprised to find out that the strain in Italy mutated in the Mediterranean climate.

On a side note I'm pretty sure no country has proper surge capacity for this so hospital beds and equipment will be scarce all over depending on how much worse it gets. Pretty sure it is why a lot of people have been told to self quarantine.

 

[KI4MVP]

Italy's death numbers are crazy high compared to everyone else. One wonders what the big difference is. Predisposed? Hygiene? Some cultural thing like kissing hello? Are their doctors doing something wrong? It's just such a stark contrast compared to anywhere else.

They exceeded capacity of their healthcare system.

 

[Szuch77]

Italy's death numbers are crazy high compared to everyone else. One wonders what the big difference is. Predisposed? Hygiene? Some cultural thing like kissing hello? Are their doctors doing something wrong? It's just such a stark contrast compared to anywhere else.

I recently compared the demographics between Italy and the US bc people kept comparing us to them and it didn’t make sense to me. The disparity in numbers and living is crazy. From what I can see, I think their mortality rate is do to extreme proximity of living. Italy is basically half the size of Texas or the size of Arizona. They basically are living on top of each other unlike how spread out most of us are. 23% of the population smokes compared to 13% of Americans. This is crucial, especially when this virus effects the lungs. And finally, their population is crazy old.Their average age is 46 where area is 38. When you break that down farther, the Italy’s age percentage breakdowns are 60% above 40 and 25% above 65. Whereas the US age percentage breakdowns are 26% over 40 and 13% over 65. I think these reasons and probably some others are the main culprits.

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

This just isn't true. Check out the stats here

Italy COVID: 4,281,214 Cases and 127,851 Deaths - Worldometer

Italy Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.

www.worldometers.info

Like 10% of cases are critical. But they have overwhelmed the system.

...What?

Check that other side. Look at the amount that have recovered vs the amount that have died.

 

[smalls1129]

Lack of ventilators. They only have 3000 for a population of 60+ million.

They also brought up cultural stuff on the news on why Italy is currently so bad. They brought up how people are so use to going out every night. The other was they want their food fresh every day so they are still going to the grocery store daily.

The fresh food thing is very European. I lived in a small town in Europe as a kid for a short time and we didn't have a grocery store, people's daily food came from local small businesses. A bakery, butcher, candy store, etc were all in the town and there was a truck from the grocery chain that came once or twice a week to sell the things the town didn't have.

My cousin is stationed in southern Italy right now in the Navy, I talked to him on Saturday and he said the culture shock has been hard on them. He said when he used to go to the grocery store nobody was pushing around carts, they had a basket got their food for the day and we're gone. Now he's seeing people loading up carts and they have no idea what to do. This is his second tour there so he'll have almost six years worth of experience when it's all said and done.

 

[Mr. Orange]

...What?

Check that other side. Look at the amount that have recovered vs the amount that have died.

Yes I understand the closed cases. But you can assume the recoveries will be going up. And you can assume that there are many more cases which are like Donavon Mitchell who has it, but has no symptoms at all. So saying it's like 50/50 death sentence is very misleading. All of the data we have has shown it is like 0.5 - 3% depending on the source.

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

Italy's death numbers are what happens when you react too late and your health system is overrun. You don't have the ability to care for people and shit hits the fan quickly. Not just COVID-19, but any other health issue in Italy, is going to be a nightmare until this gets under control.

The other things mentioned in this thread may have links to the spread of infection, but touching your face, kissing hello, or living near other people wouldn't increase the severity of the virus. It would just increase the likelihood of you contracting it.

As previously mentioned, the total land area of a country has little to do with it. We don't spread ourselves out equidistantly.

 

[CleveRocks]

Italy's death numbers are crazy high compared to everyone else. One wonders what the big difference is. Predisposed? Hygiene? Some cultural thing like kissing hello? Are their doctors doing something wrong? It's just such a stark contrast compared to anywhere else.

They have overrun the health care system.. if there is no ventilator , you're screwed..

 

[Cavsfan1985]

Italy's death numbers are what happens when you react too late and your health system is overrun. You don't have the ability to care for people and shit hits the fan quickly. Not just COVID-19, but any other health issue in Italy, is going to be a nightmare until this gets under control.

The other things mentioned in this thread may have links to the spread of infection, but touching your face, kissing hello, or living near other people wouldn't increase the severity of the virus. It would just increase the likelihood of you contracting it.

As previously mentioned, the total land area of a country has little to do with it. We don't spread ourselves out equidistantly.

What will be interesting though is if they get past it quicker as more people have been exposed to it so quick. Overtime will the death toll be close to like countries who try and slow it down overtime but have smaller deaths at once but similar deaths over a longer time.

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

What will be interesting though is if they get past it quicker as more people have been exposed to it so quick. Overtime will the death toll be close to like countries who try and slow it down overtime but have smaller deaths at once but similar deaths over a longer time.

If you spike your curve, yes, you'll get past this quicker.

But, by overrunning the health care system, you won't be able to take care of those people and you'll see much worse care.

This is, literally, what we're seeing in Italy. What basis do you have to even hypothesize that a country that keeps the curve of this disease manageable will still see similar mortality rates?

 

[Cavsfan1985]

I just wonder how long Americans will last before as a group we say enough is enough and go back to everyday life. I just don’t see how the collective whole let’s this shut down go much longer then end of March.

 

[Cavsfan1985]

If you spike your curve, yes, you'll get past this quicker.

But, by overrunning the health care system, you won't be able to take care of those people and you'll see much worse care.

This is, literally, what we're seeing in Italy. What basis do you have to even hypothesize that a country that keeps the curve of this disease manageable will still see similar mortality rates?

I don’t. It was more a question. When we look back at it, how much higher will the rate of death be vs let it spread slower.
It also will be interesting to see which models effects the economy more long term.