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Darius Kinnard Garland

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What is Darius Garland's Ceiling?

  • One Time All-Star

    Votes: 18 11.0%
  • Occasional All-Star

    Votes: 19 11.7%
  • 5-6 Time All-Star

    Votes: 31 19.0%
  • Perennial All-Star

    Votes: 40 24.5%
  • An All-NBA Team or Two

    Votes: 22 13.5%
  • Perennial All-NBA Teamer

    Votes: 20 12.3%
  • Occasional MVP Candidate

    Votes: 11 6.7%
  • Perennial MVP Candidate

    Votes: 2 1.2%
  • MVP, Baby!

    Votes: 10 6.1%
  • Being Jim Chones

    Votes: 13 8.0%

  • Total voters
    163
This won't be a popular opinion, but I think part of what's holding him back is how ball dominant Sexton is. The times I've seen Darius succeeded has been when he's had the ball for consecutive possessions, and dropped like 2-3 assists in a row. Then he starts reading the defense better and calling his own shot confidently. Unfortunately, he can't do this for even one full quarter, only spurts, because of Sexton. I am not saying he is prime Baron Davis waiting to be unlocked, but just pointing out that we're doing him any favors in that regard development-wise.
garland first needs to have 2-3 assists in a row to get comfortable??? are you kidding me? he averages 5.4 assists for the season, you mean to tell me it takes garland half the game to be comfortable? yuck...

i agree with weepinwillow's take on garland. he wants to make the pass that leads to an assist, not the pass that leads to the right play.
 
Garland needs to be more alpha on the court, Colin may not be so ball heavy then. Shrinking from sunlight is not a good look.

This has to happen but he's so dang timid. Sometimes he makes a couple shots in a row but then doesn't shoot again until 5 mins later.
 
This has to happen but he's so dang timid. Sometimes he makes a couple shots in a row but then doesn't shoot again until 5 mins later.
Sexton takes the tech freethrows even tho Garland is the better freethrow shooter, needs to assert himself there too
 
Sam Vecenie of The Athletic came out with his list of the top young players in the league. Darius checks in at #30. Sam seems to really like him.

"30. Darius Garland | 6-1 guard, 21 years old | Cleveland Cavaliers | Contract: 3 years, $22.8 million, last year team option | PR: 49

Garland makes a real jump up the rankings, as he looks a lot more comfortable dealing with physical opposing guards. He was terrific in the team’s first six games, wheeling and dealing from the point guard position and putting Collin Sexton into successful positions while also knowing how and when to attack on his own. He averaged 17 points and six assists in those games, utilizing the pull-up and shooting prowess that made him so lethal as a five-star prospect in high school and in his four games at Vanderbilt. Those numbers have largely stayed steady over the course of the season, as he’s up at 16 points and five assists.

That shooting ability is what makes Garland a very interesting prospect long-term. Because of his experience at lower levels playing as an off-guard, Garland is terrific with his foot prep off the catch and does a great job hitting catch-and-shoot shots off movement. The significant reason that a Garland and Sexton pairing works on offense is because both of them have turned into extremely high-level shooters who are willing to play both on and away from the ball. Oftentimes, that results in Garland bringing the ball up and passing it off to Sexton and letting him execute the primary action. He’s been unselfish, knowing that if he keeps moving, he should be able to get it back at some point — especially on this roster with a passing big like Larry Nance Jr. Overall, Garland has made about 40 percent of his 3s this season, a number I think is actually close to his true talent level if he’s going to get a significant number of looks off the catch.

The key point, though, is that he’s still getting better as a passer. Early in his prep career and at Vanderbilt, I didn’t really love Garland’s vision and passing ability. Having come up as a scoring guard, I don’t think he’d quite gotten down all of the reads he needed to be able to make. However, as the son of a former NBA point guard in Winston Garland, those reads seem to have come to him over the course of the calendar 2020 and 2021 years as well as Cleveland could have hoped. He does get stuck up in the air at times without a plan, but for the most part, he’s taken to the lead guard position well as a passer for someone whose primary skill will always be more of a scorer. His handle is very technically sound, with a great little series of inside-out dribbles into hesitation crossovers to get into the paint followed by terrific work with his body to protect the ball and keep the advantage as guards try to recover onto him out of ball screens. He’s improved his ability to hit those cross-corner kick-out reads to open 3-point shooters, and he’s good at lowering his eyes to hit the dump-off passes to the Cavs’ variety of big men.

The two main concerns that hold back Garland remain the two that worried me in the draft process. First, he’s a terrible finisher at the rim. This year, he’s made 30 of 69 attempts at the basket, which is a well below average mark of 43 percent. He’s short, doesn’t have a ton of vertical pop and generally has to catch opposing bigs off guard. The good news is that Garland is attempting to help himself here by adding a runner/floater that gives him more of an ability to use his natural touch. Again, he’s made about 46 percent last season, similar to his number last year. He needs that number around 45 to 50 percent and needs to be even more willing to pull the trigger on it as opposed to trying to get all the way to the rim. It’s a tough needle to thread. He already takes more floaters than he does shots at the rim, but it’s just really hard to be so efficient on those floaters that you can get away from the rim.

Second, I’m still concerned about a Sexton-Garland backcourt defensively. Both Sexton and Garland have really improved their defensive effort this season, as coach J.B. Bickerstaff has really gotten the team in general to give great defensive effort. Those two fight over screens and really try to recover in ball-screen coverages. But in the playoffs, teams are really just going to try to hammer mismatches with them. After a strong start on that end of the floor, the Cavaliers have completely fallen off of a cliff since Nance, a genuine All-Defense candidate, got hurt. Without his help defense reactivity where he’s all over the place recovering onto guys who get beaten, drives against Garland and Sexton have turned into more scoring options. The team will need to figure out long-term if Garland and Sexton can play together, and then if not, which one will it choose? Regardless, Garland looks like a real starting NBA point guard due to his ability to dribble, pass and shoot at plus NBA levels. The question is simply how high the ceiling is as largely a perimeter player if he also can’t get to where he needs to on defense."


Sam makes a good point in that Garland and Sexton are better when they have a player like Nance covering up for them defensively. Allen might fall into that category as well. If the Cavs can draft another tall, agile wing with defensive skills on the perimeter like Nance (only with more offense) it would do even more to minimize the defensive problems of the smaller guards.
 
basketball-reference has him at 55% from 0-3 feet, which is not awful (Kyrie was just a hair under 60% during his time in Cleveland)

I wonder what the disconnect is between the two numbers
 
Sam Vecenie of The Athletic came out with his list of the top young players in the league. Darius checks in at #30. Sam seems to really like him.

"30. Darius Garland | 6-1 guard, 21 years old | Cleveland Cavaliers | Contract: 3 years, $22.8 million, last year team option | PR: 49

Garland makes a real jump up the rankings, as he looks a lot more comfortable dealing with physical opposing guards. He was terrific in the team’s first six games, wheeling and dealing from the point guard position and putting Collin Sexton into successful positions while also knowing how and when to attack on his own. He averaged 17 points and six assists in those games, utilizing the pull-up and shooting prowess that made him so lethal as a five-star prospect in high school and in his four games at Vanderbilt. Those numbers have largely stayed steady over the course of the season, as he’s up at 16 points and five assists.

That shooting ability is what makes Garland a very interesting prospect long-term. Because of his experience at lower levels playing as an off-guard, Garland is terrific with his foot prep off the catch and does a great job hitting catch-and-shoot shots off movement. The significant reason that a Garland and Sexton pairing works on offense is because both of them have turned into extremely high-level shooters who are willing to play both on and away from the ball. Oftentimes, that results in Garland bringing the ball up and passing it off to Sexton and letting him execute the primary action. He’s been unselfish, knowing that if he keeps moving, he should be able to get it back at some point — especially on this roster with a passing big like Larry Nance Jr. Overall, Garland has made about 40 percent of his 3s this season, a number I think is actually close to his true talent level if he’s going to get a significant number of looks off the catch.

The key point, though, is that he’s still getting better as a passer. Early in his prep career and at Vanderbilt, I didn’t really love Garland’s vision and passing ability. Having come up as a scoring guard, I don’t think he’d quite gotten down all of the reads he needed to be able to make. However, as the son of a former NBA point guard in Winston Garland, those reads seem to have come to him over the course of the calendar 2020 and 2021 years as well as Cleveland could have hoped. He does get stuck up in the air at times without a plan, but for the most part, he’s taken to the lead guard position well as a passer for someone whose primary skill will always be more of a scorer. His handle is very technically sound, with a great little series of inside-out dribbles into hesitation crossovers to get into the paint followed by terrific work with his body to protect the ball and keep the advantage as guards try to recover onto him out of ball screens. He’s improved his ability to hit those cross-corner kick-out reads to open 3-point shooters, and he’s good at lowering his eyes to hit the dump-off passes to the Cavs’ variety of big men.

The two main concerns that hold back Garland remain the two that worried me in the draft process. First, he’s a terrible finisher at the rim. This year, he’s made 30 of 69 attempts at the basket, which is a well below average mark of 43 percent. He’s short, doesn’t have a ton of vertical pop and generally has to catch opposing bigs off guard. The good news is that Garland is attempting to help himself here by adding a runner/floater that gives him more of an ability to use his natural touch. Again, he’s made about 46 percent last season, similar to his number last year. He needs that number around 45 to 50 percent and needs to be even more willing to pull the trigger on it as opposed to trying to get all the way to the rim. It’s a tough needle to thread. He already takes more floaters than he does shots at the rim, but it’s just really hard to be so efficient on those floaters that you can get away from the rim.

Second, I’m still concerned about a Sexton-Garland backcourt defensively. Both Sexton and Garland have really improved their defensive effort this season, as coach J.B. Bickerstaff has really gotten the team in general to give great defensive effort. Those two fight over screens and really try to recover in ball-screen coverages. But in the playoffs, teams are really just going to try to hammer mismatches with them. After a strong start on that end of the floor, the Cavaliers have completely fallen off of a cliff since Nance, a genuine All-Defense candidate, got hurt. Without his help defense reactivity where he’s all over the place recovering onto guys who get beaten, drives against Garland and Sexton have turned into more scoring options. The team will need to figure out long-term if Garland and Sexton can play together, and then if not, which one will it choose? Regardless, Garland looks like a real starting NBA point guard due to his ability to dribble, pass and shoot at plus NBA levels. The question is simply how high the ceiling is as largely a perimeter player if he also can’t get to where he needs to on defense."


Sam makes a good point in that Garland and Sexton are better when they have a player like Nance covering up for them defensively. Allen might fall into that category as well. If the Cavs can draft another tall, agile wing with defensive skills on the perimeter like Nance (only with more offense) it would do even more to minimize the defensive problems of the smaller guards.

I agree with pretty much everything Sam sees here.
 
basketball-reference has him at 55% from 0-3 feet, which is not awful (Kyrie was just a hair under 60% during his time in Cleveland)

I wonder what the disconnect is between the two numbers

Let's roll with BBR here. I'm not interested in a reality in which Garland is 43% at the rim.
 
I can't explain my dissatisfaction with him. He has put up good numbers and he has good games I guess. He makes some passes that make you think and has a skip to my lou type play every once in awhile.

I'd be happy to have him handle more than Collin and bring it up and initiate more, but he still doesn't seem like he commands attention.

I really wish he was just hoisting 3s or passing.

His style of play just isn't what a starting PG needs to be in the modern NBA especially when paired with another smaller guard. He seems to like to move east/west on the court while probing to find the open man. This is something backup PGs or aging PGs tend to do when they lose their athleticism. This can be effective if you have alot of experience or it's used in short stints like a backup PG. For a young starting PG to use it just makes it easy to defend.

Garland doesn't put pressure on the defense or create action to the move defense to create hockey assists. He could use this probing if it was a smaller part of his game and he was willing to pair it with an effective step back 3. Right now teams can just sit back and get set in their defense. They don't have to worry about him blowing pass the defense in either the half court or full court.

LeBron used this style of play when Kyrie left to save energy and when we didn't have a PG but he had so many other things to pair with it. Delly and Calderon used it as back up PGs which was effective. George Hill on the Cavs is prime example of a starting PG using this style and it being ineffective. A big part of a PGs job in the NBA is to create action to move the defense to create open looks.
 
His style of play just isn't what a starting PG needs to be in the modern NBA especially when paired with another smaller guard. He seems to like to move east/west on the court while probing to find the open man. This is something backup PGs or aging PGs tend to do when they lose their athleticism. This can be effective if you have alot of experience or it's used in short stints like a backup PG. For a young starting PG to use it just makes it easy to defend.

Garland doesn't put pressure on the defense or create action to the move defense to create hockey assists. He could use this probing if it was a smaller part of his game and he was willing to pair it with an effective step back 3. Right now teams can just sit back and get set in their defense. They don't have to worry about him blowing pass the defense in either the half court or full court.

LeBron used this style of play when Kyrie left to save energy and when we didn't have a PG but he had so many other things to pair with it. Delly and Calderon used it as back up PGs which was effective. George Hill on the Cavs is prime example of a starting PG using this style and it being ineffective. A big part of a PGs job in the NBA is to create action to move the defense to create open looks.
Nailed it. And I could honestly live with it, if, BIG if, he would pull up from a few steps behind three and nail some shots like Curry-lite. Which he was made out to be.
 
At least he looks a lot better from last year which we can’t say about the rest of this team lol
 
His style of play just isn't what a starting PG needs to be in the modern NBA especially when paired with another smaller guard. He seems to like to move east/west on the court while probing to find the open man. This is something backup PGs or aging PGs tend to do when they lose their athleticism. This can be effective if you have alot of experience or it's used in short stints like a backup PG. For a young starting PG to use it just makes it easy to defend.

Garland doesn't put pressure on the defense or create action to the move defense to create hockey assists. He could use this probing if it was a smaller part of his game and he was willing to pair it with an effective step back 3. Right now teams can just sit back and get set in their defense. They don't have to worry about him blowing pass the defense in either the half court or full court.

LeBron used this style of play when Kyrie left to save energy and when we didn't have a PG but he had so many other things to pair with it. Delly and Calderon used it as back up PGs which was effective. George Hill on the Cavs is prime example of a starting PG using this style and it being ineffective. A big part of a PGs job in the NBA is to create action to move the defense to create open looks.

Great post. His first step seems better than last year, but it doesn't generate as many good looks as you would hope.
 

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