Darius Kinnard Garland

[Lee]

There's a reason for the Garland hype, you can just see his immense skill set with the eye test. This video (not mine) shows why I think he'll be one of the best players from his draft class

I have hated the Kyrie to Sexton comparisons, they are only statistical and zero eye test. If anyone is like Kyrie its Garland. He has almost as good of handles, is a better passer, but not quite as good as pure scorer. Garland does that change of speed thing that Kyrie and other elite pg's do. Sexton uses just pure speed and isnt a natural passer.

I think Garland becomes an all star level pure pg. 7 assists a game as a 21 year old sophomore is not just good but very good. his scoring only needs to be around 20 ppg and his already at 17 for the season.

I dont want to discount Sexton's extremely efficient scoring and improved passing, but Garland can become an elite top 5 passer in this league with elite ball handling skills and good 3 point shooting. Sexton is only being asked to score, he has the much easier job to learn, although i am not saying Sexton isnt good, just that he is an undersized SG, in no way is Sexton a pg.

 

[Lee]

If I had to put all the eggs in one basket right now I would put them in Garland's basket over Sexton's.

He has more room to grow despite Sexton's work ethic. And he is showing his repertoire.

I actually agree. Its not even though more room to grow, he is a better ball handler and passer than Sexton, and it fits as a very good PG in the future while Sexton is instant offense.

 

[Lee]

a high volume 3 point shooter

plays 20 mpg (I could see Okoro being in this role if his shot doesn't improve)

a near-40% shooter from deep on decent volume

Shooting 46% from deep this year on high-volume

He's 7'1 with a 7'9 wingspan and plays center. If Okoro has a growth spurt, he can play the Gobert role.

How isnt Sexton the next Gobert. Their games are exactly the same.

Next thing you will tell me is Hartenstein isnt a poor man's Curry.

 

[inliner311]

Hoping his frame is capable of filling out, as that is the big limiting factor for him on defense. If he is going to become a more valuable player, he needs to tread water a little better on that end. His offense has looked great but he's still bleeding away too much of his advanced value because he's getting thrown around so much on defense.

A lot of people want to pick one of Collin / Garland......but at this point, I don't really get that. The Cavs chose a guard tandem I thought they were crazy to chose......relative to the size of each player and their skillsets.......but relative to the point in which they drafted each, it seems like they generally did about as good as they could do.

Both Garland and Sexton have probably exceeded expectations......so I think you honestly, for better or worse, just try to keep them together. Find a wing that can truly compliment them with size and use Okoro as your rotational piece.

Ultimately it's hard to trade away a productive guard and get an equally productive wing back. I think that's the reason why Portland hasn't traded one of their guards. We just might be stuck with Garland and Sexton as a tandem because no better options will present itself in a trade. It's very hard for an organization to take major steps back unless they are truly forced into a corner to do so.

 

[Henry Tuttle]

I dont want to discount Sexton's extremely efficient scoring and improved passing, but Garland can become an elite top 5 passer in this league with elite ball handling skills and good 3 point shooting.

I don’t see any reason he can’t become an elite 3pt shooter as well, considering his stroke. I would categorize that as >42% on at least 8 attempts/gm. Curry is the only shooter meeting that criteria right now. Lavine and PG are close. Ingles and Harris have great %’s but not really close on volume.

DG is currently at 40.8% on ~5 attempts/gm.

 

[Lee]

I don’t see any reason he can’t become an elite 3pt shooter as well, considering his stroke. I would categorize that as >42% on at least 8 attempts/gm. Curry is the only shooter meeting that criteria right now. Lavine and PG are close.

DG is currently at 40.8% on ~5 attempts/gm.

42% on 8 attempts is a very lofty goal. I dont know if he gets to the 8 attempts, i can see 42%-43%, sure he should improve some, but 8 a game is allot.

He should become a very good 3 point shooter, elite might be tough, but i really dont care that much about elite.

 

[Henry Tuttle]

Here’s the top 20 in 3pt fg attempts/gm. Several teams have 2 guys on the list. I think it’s fair to say the Cavs could have at least one and it should be Garland, if so. It just comes down to game plan imo.

 

[RchfldCavRaised]

I understand how this might be enticing in a vacuum.......but there doesn't seem to be a world in which a 22 year old career 20 PPG scorer is getting moved to the bench. And if that is proposed or executed by a team, you can be certain that guy is gonna GTFO town very quickly. You'd be better off moving Collin for assets if your view was Garland should start at PG and Okoro at SG.

I'm getting attached to Sexton myself and I'm such a optimist I believe we could change coaching or management and sell him on this.

Kenny Atkinson sold this to DeAngelo Russell in his first year in Brooklyn. I dont remember for how long, but I know he came off the bench and led the team in scoring a few nights that year. He hadnt got his contract yet and he was willing to do it, IIRC. After being the #2 pick in the draft. Granted, he was a full-time starter and All-Star the next year (albeit as a 2 guard in Atkinson's pass happy equal opportunity system), but he was willing to do it and I attributed that to coaching/management

 

[Wham with the Right Hand]

Sexton is 10-for-17 on 3's over the last four games. He's heating up. The nice thing is he's only shooting when it's open. If he can keep hitting 3's at a high rate (not 50%, but high) he'll force defenses to engage him at the three-point line and it will be even easier for him to get by the defender, especially when they get him switched onto a big.

 

[Kouki]

If only his "gather" wasn't so terrible. I think that will always be a limiting factor for him - he really does need that extra split second that the truly elite shooters don't need. (Other than his otherworldly performance in the Brooklyn game).

Garland doesn't have the same issue - he's Steph Curry-like in his fluid shooting motion, in that the gather and the upwards movement to the shot all happens in a split second, a "flick of the wrist" type thing.

 

[roozy]

If only his "gather" wasn't so terrible. I think that will always be a limiting factor for him - he really does need that extra split second that the truly elite shooters don't need. (Other than his otherworldly performance in the Brooklyn game).

Garland doesn't have the same issue - he's Steph Curry-like in his fluid shooting motion, in that the gather and the upwards movement to the shot all happens in a split second, a "flick of the wrist" type thing.

Maybe it's something he speeds up later down the line.

 

[DeeThree]

Maybe it's something he speeds up later down the line.

Doubt it.

 

[adam81king]

a high-volume 3 point shooter

plays 20 mpg (I could see Okoro being in this role if his shot doesn't improve)

a near-40% shooter from deep on decent volume

Shooting 46% from deep this year on high-volume

He's 7'1 with a 7'9 wingspan and plays center. If Okoro has a growth spurt, he can play the Gobert role.

You said the defensive specialist role doesn't exist anymore and I showed several examples of that being incorrect. You can manipulate it all you want, but the role still, clearly, exists...

 

[Derek]

You said the defensive specialist role doesn't exist anymore and I showed several examples of that being incorrect. You can manipulate it all you want, but the role still, clearly, exists...

I said the Tony Allen role doesn't exist AKA a guy who can't do anything on offense but plays 30 mpg because of his defense.

I'm sorry you didn't understand the conversation. I thought it was clear what we were talking about.

This is word-for-word the post you responded to:
I don't think that Tony Allen role exists anymore in today's NBA. Too much of a liability offensively.

He's going to need to make big strides offensively.

 

[adam81king]

I said the Tony Allen role doesn't exist AKA a guy who can't do anything on offense but plays 30 mpg because of his defense.

I'm sorry you didn't understand the conversation. I thought it was clear what we were talking about.

Tony Allen, literally NEVER, played 30 minutes per game...

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