Darius Kinnard Garland

[2 For The Brew]

Okoro actually had the highest 3 pt% among all five starters last night.

25%.

 

[buzzdog]

How did he look last night. People are telling me,he played awful despite the 25 points. I also heard he had a hard time with the trap.

I'm just going by what people told me about the game last night. I didn't see the it last night

It was one of those nights where most of the team couldn't hit an outside shot, and the Magic was hitting their outside shots. In the 4th when the Cavs made their charge they went into full court pressure and it threw the Magic off, created lots of turnovers, and sparked easy hoops for the Cavs.

Garland was up and down throughout the night and he came on strong in the 4th. There was a turning point play where Garland's man (Anthony) took him to the hoop in crunch time and scored big baskets. Then with the game on the line Garland tried to do the same thing, forced his way into a one-on-three under the basket, and he turned the ball over. End of ballgame right there.

 

[Ozone]

Garland was definitely drafted for his shooting. Specifically his shooting on one day in the Cavs predraft workout

I remember hearing they were very impressed with his ability to shoot from range in an empty gym and that the workout made them think he was farther along in his Meniscus tear recovery than he probably really was but if you are suggesting that alone was the key catalyst to make him higher on their board than somebody else I think the scouts need to be fired. I think given he never showed elite shot making ability consistently on tape for any significant stretches I would argue they just did not like anyone else after they got leap frogged and Atlanta stole Hunter from them who they wanted all along

 

[Lee]

Okoro's lack of shooting is the biggest issue, in my opinion.

Nance is one of those "barely shooters". He can knock down an open shot at an ok clip, but nobody really guards him like a shooter, so he doesn't provide much spacing. He's also always hurt, which is the biggest problem for him.

I don't really care what Stevens or Wade do this off-season. Wade is actually an ok shooter, but I don't think either one of them is a legitimate NBA player.

Hartenstein doesn't need a jumper. I'm fine with him and Allen eating up 48 minutes/night at our center spot just being lob/garbage men.

We need to add shooters through the draft, or on bargain pick-ups. I love Delly, but we need a third guard that can shoot. We need wings that can shoot! We need a long-term answer at PF that can shoot!

Back on Garland, adding strength and limiting turnovers should be his off-season priorities. He's starting to look like he might at least be able to be an occasionally disruptive defender, even if he's poor overall. Maybe some added strength will help him inch closer to passability.

I think Stevens and Wade are legit NBA players, just not legit everyday rotational players. You need players like them on league min deals covering injuries.

Allen can develop a LNJ level jumper, i think it will help some, but not a ton

Garland needs to hit the weight room in the offseason and continue to work on his jumper. The turnovers are an issue, but not fixable over the summer, only way a pg learns to turn the ball over less is playing time, no real short cut, but i do think Garland gets there. He has the highest ceiling on the team imo.

 

[Henry Tuttle]

Totally fine with the turnovers. Generally it's him seeing a play and it just closes up. His handle is a little loose at times but it usually doesn't result in a turnover. I'd rather him figure out the where the limits of his playmaking are than be conservative. He makes a ton of plays/passes that I don't even see as a viewer, so I trust his judgement.

Last night he was off and playing a bit clumsy as we've seen before. The biggest difference I see and I think the most important to note, is that he isn't losing control emotionally. He just shakes it off and knows it will go better next time. It's such a huge difference in attitude and in his interviews I've seen him stress that he needs to work on his confidence. Sometimes players will say something like that and it seems like a boilerplate response but with Garland he really seems to mean it.

 

[buzzdog]

Totally fine with the turnovers. Generally it's him seeing a play and it just closes up. His handle is a little loose at times but it usually doesn't result in a turnover. I'd rather him figure out the where the limits of his playmaking are than be conservative. He makes a ton of plays/passes that I don't even see as a viewer, so I trust his judgement.

Last night he was off and playing a bit clumsy as we've seen before. The biggest difference I see and I think the most important to note, is that he isn't losing control emotionally. He just shakes it off and knows it will go better next time. It's such a huge difference in attitude and in his interviews I've seen him stress that he needs to work on his confidence. Sometimes players will say something like that and it seems like a boilerplate response but with Garland he really seems to mean it.

Garland made one feed assist to J. Allen that showed some extreme confidence, a long bounce pass around the defender's attempt to kick block, with english. Allen made a great catch and finish. No fear or hesitation anywhere in those two.

 

[ansatsusha80]

Totally fine with the turnovers. Generally it's him seeing a play and it just closes up. His handle is a little loose at times but it usually doesn't result in a turnover. I'd rather him figure out the where the limits of his playmaking are than be conservative. He makes a ton of plays/passes that I don't even see as a viewer, so I trust his judgement.

Last night he was off and playing a bit clumsy as we've seen before. The biggest difference I see and I think the most important to note, is that he isn't losing control emotionally. He just shakes it off and knows it will go better next time. It's such a huge difference in attitude and in his interviews I've seen him stress that he needs to work on his confidence. Sometimes players will say something like that and it seems like a boilerplate response but with Garland he really seems to mean it.

How can you be fine with six turnovers. I just dont understand some of you people....smh

If,it were Sexton, Cedi or anyone else yall would have crucified them. There's nothing good about a player having six turnovers in a game. I couldn't stand it when Lebron had that many in a game...smh

 

[Derek]

How can you be fine with six turnovers. I just dont understand some of you people....smh

If,it were Sexton, Cedi or anyone else yall would have crucified them. There's nothing good about a player having six turnovers in a game. I couldn't stand it when Lebron had that many in a game...smh

I don't think anybody would be fine if he were averaging 6 turnovers or even doing it on a regular basis. However, it's only the third time this month that he's had more than 3.

Also, it depends on what else you accomplish when you're on the floor. If Sexton drops 30 on 20 shots but turns it over 6 times, I can live with that, even if I'd obviously prefer he cut down on the turnovers. If Osman has 9 points 2 assists and 5 turnovers, that's a bit of a different story.

25 points on slightly subpar efficiency with 10 assists and 6 turnovers and 4 steals isn't an ideal night by any means, but if that's his bad game, I think we'll all gladly take it.

 

[Cavatt]

Turnovers for young players as their worst trait is probably what you want. It is the area young players improve the most. If they are 25/26 like Cedi turning it over, it is a big problem. 20 21 year old turning over i can live with.

IDGAF about Okoro turning it over. We know he needs to tighten the handle and work on his playmaking.

Garland passing it to the other team when he was trying to make a play? That is a learning experience not to leave your feet for the pass. Generally I tend to like Garland's turnovers more than Sexton. Sexton tries to play through a crowd whereas Garland is trying to make a play.

 

[kidduck]

Some Fedor tidbits:

On Garland:
Some within the organization now believe he’s the best of the young core.

On the state of the team:
Still, taking the next step requires, among other things, a franchise-changer. None of those guys qualify. Garland and Sexton would seem to have the best shot. But building around a small guard is incredibly challenging. The margin for error is minuscule. Neither Garland nor Sexton, despite being draft hits, are transcendent talents.

 

[inliner311]

Some Fedor tidbits:

On Garland:
Some within the organization now believe he’s the best of the young core.

On the state of the team:
Still, taking the next step requires, among other things, a franchise-changer. None of those guys qualify. Garland and Sexton would seem to have the best shot. But building around a small guard is incredibly challenging. The margin for error is minuscule. Neither Garland nor Sexton, despite being draft hits, are transcendent talents.

I feel like whoever is talking to Fedor about this stuff is being counter productive to the overall team. They need to stop talking about who they think is their best talent and figure out how to make the talent we have work. The narrative is out there that Garland and Sexton won't work long term, if it has any chance to actually work they need to stop feeding rumors that it's one guy over the other.

If we get that franchise changing player and either Sexton or Garland has good chemistry with that player, the other will start plotting his exit. That's how the NBA has now evolved into.

I'm not saying we as fans can't talk about it but having guys from the organization leak stuff like this doesn't help them build the team up.

 

[RchfldCavRaised]

On Garland:
Some within the organization now believe he’s the best of the young core.

He is.

 

[Derek]

I feel like whoever is talking to Fedor about this stuff is being counter productive to the overall team. They need to stop talking about who they think is their best talent and figure out how to make the talent we have work. The narrative is out there that Garland and Sexton won't work long term, if it has any chance to actually work they need to stop feeding rumors that it's one guy over the other.

If we get that franchise changing player and either Sexton or Garland has good chemistry with that player, the other will start plotting his exit. That's how the NBA has now evolved into.

I'm not saying we as fans can't talk about it but having guys from the organization leak stuff like this doesn't help them build the team up.

Last I knew, Fedor was the mouthpiece for the organization. He's basically just an extension of their PR department 95% of the time.

 

[Lee]

How can you be fine with six turnovers. I just dont understand some of you people....smh

If,it were Sexton, Cedi or anyone else yall would have crucified them. There's nothing good about a player having six turnovers in a game. I couldn't stand it when Lebron had that many in a game...smh

Context. Sexton isnt getting 10 dimes. Sexton isnt learning how to be a pg.

Sexton is an efficient scorer, undersized sg, and fast as hell. I would be ok with the occasional 6 TO game from Sexton, but its not the same as Garland who is dropping double digit dimes and in his 2nd year after no college and a weird shortened rookie year.

As for Cedi getting 6 TOs? Come on he isnt even a main ballhandler like Sexton or pg like Darius, I woul crucify Cedi in his role turning it over that much.

 

[Lee]

Some Fedor tidbits:

On Garland:
Some within the organization now believe he’s the best of the young core.

On the state of the team:
Still, taking the next step requires, among other things, a franchise-changer. None of those guys qualify. Garland and Sexton would seem to have the best shot. But building around a small guard is incredibly challenging. The margin for error is minuscule. Neither Garland nor Sexton, despite being draft hits, are transcendent talents.

How do you not see the talent of Garland. He is top 10 in the NBA right now on handles and court vision. He will get it figured out if we let him.