Darius Kinnard Garland

[Ozone]

Did you even read the post you responded to?

"I'm in no way saying he'll be anything like Steph (Steph was drafted at age 21) but we have to paitent with DG and see what he turns into."

Also, even though their numbers are similar, I agree Garland isn't in the same universe as Curry shooting-wise. However, his passing and ball-handling surpass what Curry was doing at the same age.

so suggesting we have to wait and see on Garland is not insinuating he can become Curry ok lol
I know what he said and what he meant and there is no way he is ever the same level of shooter anymore than
Sexton starts dropping dimes like Ja but you know what, I would bet on Sexton actually being that good of a passer in his prime over anyone shooting like the GOAT shooter.
Why would anyone try to compare Garland to that without expecting some backlash is beyond my understanding.

 

[Ozone]

so now

Eh I'm not saying all that, lmao, I just feel we should be paitent. I feel like he is really special as a passer.

it is Curry the great passer we are waiting on Garland to become ok lol I dont think so back peddling stroller man

 

[Ozone]

Garland's plus passing will be unlocked further as we (hopefully) begin to add some more actual NBA talent at the wings. Okoro was a nice start. He runs the break and he began to make offensive cuts much more aggressively as the season went on. Adding 1-2 more athletic guys who are 6'7"-6'9"(looking squarely at Kuminga, Barnes, and Cade) that can run the break and make cuts on offense will unlock even more of Garlands plus passing game.

I agree with this . I dont think it should come as a shock a player with Garland level passing ability that can actually rise up and posterize a seven footer more than never however won't be seen as worth more to this roster core

 

[Lee]

Eh I'm not saying all that, lmao, I just feel we should be paitent. I feel like he is really special as a passer.

I know you werent, i was trying to point that out, i just find it funny the other comp is Steph Curry, a first ballet HOF and top 30 or 40 player of all time.

 

[Derek]

so suggesting we have to wait and see on Garland is not insinuating he can become Curry ok lol
I know what he said and what he meant and there is no way he is ever the same level of shooter anymore than
Sexton starts dropping dimes like Ja but you know what, I would bet on Sexton actually being that good of a passer in his prime over anyone shooting like the GOAT shooter.
Why would anyone try to compare Garland to that without expecting some backlash is beyond my understanding.

I mean, he literally said that’s not what he was insinuating. Not sure what the confusion is.

 

[RchfldCavRaised]

...beyond my understanding.

@Ozone

I joke a lot on here often to keep things light and rarely offer criticism in the public forum, but this is a pretty consistent theme for many of the posts that you quote and then counter/respond to.

If you take just a moment to really read and comprehend what's being said before quoting/reacting, I bet you will understand what guys are saying more. I dont agree with everything that everyone says, but I challenge myself to comprehend what they wrote before reducing their posts to extremes and challenging them.

This might be the third post today where I'm like... what is this brother reading and responding too?

I'm game for a 1 on 1 exchange if this comes off as something to defend against instead of some good constructive RCF criticism. I really value your posts and think you have Garland potential to give us more

 

[Ozone]

@Ozone

I joke a lot on here often to keep things light and rarely offer criticism in the public forum, but this is a pretty consistent theme for many of the posts that you quote and then counter/respond to.

If you take just a moment to really read and comprehend what's being said before quoting/reacting, I bet you will understand what guys are saying more. I dont agree with everything that everyone says, but I challenge myself to comprehend what they wrote before reducing their posts to extremes and challenging them.

This might be the third post today where I'm like... what is this brother reading and responding too?

I'm game for a 1 on 1 exchange if this comes off as something to defend against instead of some good constructive RCF criticism. I really value your posts and think you have Garland potential to give us more

Yeah I can't read too well in the face of optimism but I know for a fact Garland is not the guy he was projected to be and imo won't be after two full seasons as a starter I have seen enough. Any amount of optimistic comments have a tendency to make me insane . It has been a long boring Cavs season and this fan is ready for another overhaul

 

[RchfldCavRaised]

Yeah I can't read too well in the face of optimism

I... well... Watching you deftly miss the point of that post in your attempt to continue burning down Cleveland Clinic Courts reminded me of this



Carry on, Ozone. Carry on

 

[Ozone]

I remember a time when players were all held accountable now everyone just picks sides and divides lol
oh well maybe they figure things out but that kind of optimism is not truth right now

 

[MirORich]

Yeah I can't read too well in the face of optimism but I know for a fact Garland is not the guy he was projected to be and imo won't be after two full seasons as a starter I have seen enough. Any amount of optimistic comments have a tendency to make me insane . It has been a long boring Cavs season and this fan is ready for another overhaul

When you have young developing under contract players on your roster, why would you ever want a new "overhaul"
Keep them, allow them to continue to develop, while of course adding new talent to either complement them or overtake them.
You seem to have the desire to flush some of these 22 and younger guys down the drain after two abbreviated NBA seasons. It seems.......unnecessary.

And where is the disconnect you're speaking between the draft reports/projections of Garland and where he was starting to get to midway through this season. 40% from 3P is excellent. The assists were up. His ability to weave in and out of traffic with jerky jerky moves was excellent(though he needs to not jump without a pass or shot already in mind).

I've seen you actually mention dunks in regard to Garland and I don't get how that is relevant. I never once saw "explosive dunker" as part of his scouting report and there a numerous high level NBA point guards who rarely or never dunk. Am I misunderstanding one of your points against Garland or are you using his lack of dunking in some sort of argument against him?

Please don't take this as criticism, Im just trying to make sure I understand your argument.

 

[Ozone]

When you have young developing under contract players on your roster, why would you ever want a new "overhaul"
Keep them, allow them to continue to develop, while of course adding new talent to either complement them or overtake them.
You seem to have the desire to flush some of these 22 and younger guys down the drain after two abbreviated NBA seasons. It seems.......unnecessary.

And where is the disconnect you're speaking between the draft reports/projections of Garland and where he was starting to get to midway through this season. 40% from 3P is excellent. The assists were up. His ability to weave in and out of traffic with jerky jerky moves was excellent(though he needs to not jump without a pass or shot already in mind).

I've seen you actually mention dunks in regard to Garland and I don't get how that is relevant. I never once saw "explosive dunker" as part of his scouting report and there a numerous high level NBA point guards who rarely or never dunk. Am I misunderstanding one of your points against Garland or are you using his lack of dunking in some sort of argument against him?

Please don't take this as criticism, Im just trying to make sure I understand your argument.

Maybe it is a case of buyers remorse ? I don't like Garlands game well enough to believe he will continue to develop enough to make average at best teammates good enough to keep him around and tbh I don't believe in his shooting enough maybe if he does it against a teams best defender or consistently attempts and drops shots against doubles I will change my opinion.
I think he came into the league as one of the highest IQ accomplished kids in decades so what I feel is if it hasn't transferred yet why should I think things will improve without a much better team around him to boost him up.
It is fine if they keep him and maybe he gets better through getting stronger and with better team around him can show his skills can lead to wins. However I am more on the fence that will happen the team getting better around him before he just leaves.
I am also more into the idea that a oversized point guard or an above the rim finisher although somewhat rare that has hops like Ja Morant or rookie Derrick Rose are far more capable of attracting attention away from shooters than someone overdribbling and forcing passes in traffic.

 

[saymac]

YOU can check this out Sexton has a better 3 pts shooting avg in his first 2 years than Garland.

 

[Cassity14]

I think he came into the league as one of the highest IQ accomplished kids in decades

Based on what?

He had a really nice high school career, and then played a handful of college games. Who was saying this, and why did you feel this way?

 

[Cassity14]

YOU can check this out Sexton has a better 3 pts shooting avg in his first 2 years than Garland.

I guess if you average them together, sure?

Sexton in his three years: 40%, 38%, 37%

Garland in his 2: 35%, 40%

Are you insinuating that Sexton is the superior 3 point shooter? One of those guys is trending downward/stagnating while the other guy is trending up in the three point shooting department. Garland is also taking significantly more attempts through the first 2 years of his career about roughly 5 per game compared to Sexton's first 2 which averaged to about 4 per game.

 

[saymac]

Just go by there first 2 years that what you go by Garland is all ways injured Sexton plays injured or not. People on this board pick there favorites and try to run down other players instead of rooting for the team and hope they all become all stars. ever since Sexton was drafted he has been put down. LeBron is gone