Darius Kinnard Garland

[Fábio Martins]

He can surely make his own shot, and i think that if he gets bulkier he will be able to make more shots simply due to finish better through contact. Obviously that Garland isn't as NBA ready as Sexton but i think the ceiling of Garland is surely higher than Collin's.
ThatHesi tho... He litteraly freezes defenders

 

[Bucketz]

I understand Garland hardly played any ball last year, but I’m struggling to stay optimistic when he continues to miss open threes. Maybe he just needs a good ol fashion Cavs cheerleader tug fest to release the tension.

 

[Ozone]

The optimism surrounding this kid is basically coming from those who thought he was going to be a fucking stud from day one and now are too proud to eat crow.
He sucks

 

[NMCav]

The optimism surrounding this kid is basically coming from those who thought he was going to be a fucking stud from day one and now are too proud to eat crow.
He sucks

Are you even a Cavaliers fan? You always seem happy to gloat about a player sucking for the Cavaliers. I am not worried in the slightest. Kids take time to translate to the NBA. If he shows no signs of improvement by this time next year I'll worry.

 

[J_J]

They really should have Garland initiate more with the second unit - that will increase his confidence and more leeway to just shoot.

 

[CleveRocks]

It's not too early too see trends.. at this point some rookies are way more comfortable with the pro game than others. I believe bigs adjust better because the game is not as complex, and guards take the longest to develop, Just my opinion..

That said I think Hachi has adjusted well, but same can be said about PJ Washington and Herro, both of which played for Kentucky (coincidence?)..

Cam Johnson is playing pretty well, which is a surprise to me..

Your point about none of these guys really being discussed at 5 is well taken, except maybe Hachi.. But it's also interesting to see Cam Reddish, who was actually in the five conversation, playing on par with number 4 Hunter.. And he is younger..

Garland fans remain Garland fans, and they may prove right. But right now he is a whole lot of maybe, and it's legit to look at our other choices in light of making better future decisions..

 

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

It's not too early too see trends.. at this point some rookies are way more comfortable with the pro game than others. I believe bigs adjust better because the game is not as complex, and guards take the longest to develop, Just my opinion..

That said I think Hachi has adjusted well, but same can be said about PJ Washington and Herro, both of which played for Kentucky (coincidence?)..

Cam Johnson is playing pretty well, which is a surprise to me..

Your point about none of these guys really being discussed at 5 is well taken, except maybe Hachi.. But it's also interesting to see Cam Reddish, who was actually in the five conversation, playing on par with number 4 Hunter.. And he is younger..

Garland fans remain Garland fans, and they may prove right. But right now he is a whole lot of maybe, and it's legit to look at our other choices in light of making better future decisions..

Your posts are all over the place.

Are you bringing up Cam with Hunter to show him in a positive light or something? Sure sounds like it. Cam has been abysmal. Worse than expected. Hunter has been bad too. Why bring them up in the first place?

Why do you also bring up the same group of PJ, Hachimura, Herro, Cam in every post? we get it. Move on from that.

Garland has his flaws, but he came straight out of a highschool as a PG basically!

And no, we don't have to look at other choices to make better decisions because we don't make those decisions; not only that, but again it's so early! Absolutely no point bringing it up after every game.

 

[CalBuckeyeRob]

NBA 3 point shots are just harder than college or high school 3 pointers so it may take time to get good at it. That doesn't mean he will get good at it, but give him a couple of seasons before we decide that the shot is beyond his range.

 

[I'mWithDan]

NBA 3 point shots are just harder than college or high school 3 pointers so it may take time to get good at it. That doesn't mean he will get good at it, but give him a couple of seasons before we decide that the shot is beyond his range.

The concerning thing with Garland, if you want to have that conversation, is he wasn't a particularly good shooter when looking at his EYBL and HS numbers.....he was generally a very average one. He hovered around 36-37%.

What made people excited about his prospects was the limited college sample where he shot well and seemed to be more projectable as a shooter.....especially on the move......but he has really struggled against stronger, more physical players. Being a below rim player, he absolutely has to improve as a shooter or he will most definitely wash out.

It's way too early to severely overreact......his handle has looked good, he's been ok on defense but his shooting is just really holding him back right now. It is making him incredibly inefficient as a scorer and the snowball effect has really hurt his penetrating game....because teams are just taking an additional step off.

 

[daytripper]

He looks like a little kid out there playing against grown men. Maybe 2 years down the road he looks great but he is in no way physically ready to be an NBA starter at this point. I'm sure the physical aspect is also playing a huge part in his lack of confidence.

 

[Cavatt]

That midrange jumper at the foul line is there for him. He looked sweet hitting one of those last night. I watched a lot of his 5 games at Vvandy and that was one of his weapons. I am worried that someone said "Develop the floater because you aren't a great finisher" when he should really be going to that mid range jumper. He can get to the free throw line distance at will. IF he is really such a good shooter and 3pt shooter in college that should be no problem.

I know people were pissed Collin took that shot so much last year, but Garland is barely even using his jumper. He should try to take some more pull ups off the dribble just to get a shooting rhythm going.

I appreciate he is try to get close to the rim or shoot the 3, but neither is working and I suspect he can hit a mid range shot at a pretty good clip. Yeah it's not the most efficient shot, but he isn't hitting the most efficient ones right now.

 

[red.]

He isn’t being used properly.

What’s Garland role with the starters? He brings the ball up sometimes, pass it off, and stand in the corner.

The thing is, the fans didn’t hype Garland up, the Cavs did. We expected a lot of things, but we haven’t seen shit yet.

We’ve heard about his shooting abilities and yet JB still hasn’t figured out how to get Garland open looks, involve him in the offense more and let him get some freedom. I don’t understand the reasoning behind starting Garland if he doesn’t have free reign to do some of the things he wants and comfortable with.

I feel like the others. Frustrated because we’ve heard about his shooting in the gym and not missing anything, but they can’t figure out how to use him? I see the potential. But he’s scared. He plays like he doesn’t want to mess up whereas the other rookies play within themselves and with some freedom. Hell yes I’m jealous of other teams rookies looking good because I expected a lot. We have a shit team and I don’t understand why they’re not getting the young guys more acclimated with shit they can do well. I don’t care about Delly, Knight, and whoever else wasting minutes.

 

[Ozone]

Are you even a Cavaliers fan? You always seem happy to gloat about a player sucking for the Cavaliers. I am not worried in the slightest. Kids take time to translate to the NBA. If he shows no signs of improvement by this time next year I'll worry.

I'm a fan but tbh starting to be less and less impressed with this fanbase and it's homerism.
I guess now you will say you supported the pick because your front office made the pick not because you liked the kid smh.
Or worse you looked at his limited proof and sold yourself on his upside, after they picked him and that is all you are left with is upside at this point since he has been arguably the worst top 10 pick from this draft other than maybe reddish who should have gone later too.
I get that a lot of these other options the Cavs had at 5 have really not been that good either, but most are also coming off the bench in limited roles on either better teams or teams that don't throw players in the fire when they are not ready and actually make them earn minutes or maybe they were raw as hell and picked for upside only, unlike Garland who wow'd Cavs FO at one workout in LA and was supposed to be much much better than he is right now.
You have to go back to when I said they picked him to trade him...I think the odds are strong they were taking Hunter and after the Hawks leapfrogged them they just took what was widely considered the BPA in hype circles and nobody took the hook as the lottery went on. Sure you can argue they would only have picked him if they knew they had a deal in place when they picked him, but that is not gambling is it. They gambled and lost.

 

[Goldin Brown]

It's too early in my opinion to make any kind of determination on Garland long term. Right now he's playing like shit, can't deny it, but it's not unusual for a rookie PG to struggle early on. Trae Young struggled in Summer League and like the first two months of his rookie season were atrocious, he figured it out and now he's playing well. Still remains to be seen if Garland can figure it out, but I think it's way too early to be concerned. It really just looks like he's thinking too much and trying to work himself into shape and adjust to the NBA game. The NBA 3 is giving him trouble though, he keeps leaving them short, so seems like he doesn't yet have the legs/conditioning to hit that shot consistently in game. Just give him time...like more than a month.

 

[I'mWithDan]

I'm a fan but tbh starting to be less and less impressed with this fanbase and it's homerism.
I guess now you will say you supported the pick because your front office made the pick not because you liked the kid smh.
Or worse you looked at his limited proof and sold yourself on his upside, after they picked him and that is all you are left with is upside at this point since he has been arguably the worst top 10 pick from this draft other than maybe reddish who should have gone later too.
I get that a lot of these other options the Cavs had at 5 have really not been that good either, but most are also coming off the bench in limited roles on either better teams or teams that don't throw players in the fire when they are not ready and actually make them earn minutes or maybe they were raw as hell and picked for upside only, unlike Garland who wow'd Cavs FO at one workout in LA and was supposed to be much much better than he is right now.
You have to go back to when I said they picked him to trade him...I think the odds are strong they were taking Hunter and after the Hawks leapfrogged them they just took what was widely considered the BPA in hype circles and nobody took the hook as the lottery went on. Sure you can argue they would only have picked him if they knew they had a deal in place when they picked him, but that is not gambling is it. They gambled and lost.

So anyone who wants to see more is a homer?

Even the most pessimistic Garland pundits should be waiting for, I would imagine, 100 games prior to passing judgement on a pick being "lost". In my personal opinion, someone as young as Garland and also in need of physical maturation, even longer.

Kemba Walker was generally a disaster his first few years, as a much more mature, physically developed player. Below the rim guys generally have the hardest transition in to the NBA, because the adjustment curve is so large, when you are suddenly at an athletic disadvantage anywhere inside the arc. It takes time for a player to develop and get a feel for how he can counteract that disadvantage, when his whole life he hasn't had to worry or think about it.

Your problem is you love to cast blame or right and wrong in a very reactionary way. There are plenty of draft threads that drive that home. The average, medium career NBA player is probably going to play 800-1000 games in their career. Garland is on game 14. FOURTEEN. That amounts to 1% of the games he will play in his lifetime, if he's an average NBA player. Even less if he is a good one. The sample size isn't even worth paying attention to at this point.