I don’t think anyone is saying he’s a starter. He’s not a great rebounder, but weak isn’t accurate. He’s honestly the only guy who puts a body on anyone on our team. There was a discussion here a few weeks back on the reason no one blocks out anymore. It’s because, while it benefits the team, it doesn’t benefit the guy doing the blocking out because he usually doesn’t get the rebound. You will also notice that like a smart bench guy who knows his role, he defers the non-contested boards to Allen & Love. If you really want to know why we got dominated on the offensive boards, all you have to do is look at who was guarding their 2 Euro bigs since they got 12 of their 16 between the 2 of them.
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I'll concede that the block out point is actually a fair one, though for different reasons . Part of the reason Love is a great defensive rebounder is ironically how he'll cheat on who he's defending, leaving early to get into boxout position (this can be bad sometimes when he leaves a guy open, gets in position, and the guy hits an open look...I remember LeBron lighting into Love for doing this too much in a season game against the Raptors a few years ago). From what I've seen of Wade, he won't leave his man like Love does, instead staying on the ball and using his superior lateral quickness to cut off angles. This makes him a better on ball defender, and he will contest even on the perimeter, which would naturally leave him in a worse spot to grab boards. Seems there are fewer rebounders these days who also play good defense (as in Rodman, Russell etc of yesteryear), likely due to today's pace and 3 point shooting. There's much less of a time window to try and rotate and close out on shooters while also then running to get into boxout position. Bigs can't sit completely in the paint anymore like they used to.
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We still have at least one player who consistently tries to block out, but he gets crucified for not rebounding more.
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I felt like there was a point last year when Wade would set his feet and you'd be shocked if the shot didn't fall. He's only .010 off last years mark, so my memory must be on the fritz. He's OK, but I agree he's more of your 10th man, but I can appreciate a dude who works his way to stay in the league.
Its true that Love is not a defender/rebounder like the greats. At this stage of his career he struggles mightily with the pace of the game on the perimeter. But Kev, Like Rodman, also has great anticipation of how the ball is going to come off the rim. He seems to see it a split-second earlier than most. Then he uses that old man strength, great hands, and a few vet tricks to secure way more rebounds than you'd expect from a guy of his size and mobility. When Allen and Mobley are getting pushed around, Love is often the only guy we have who can stand in there and not get moved off his spot.
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I actually think boxing out alone could make a significant swing in a series outcome if we could commit to it with our length & defense. If you could cut down 5-10 possessions, with our defensive stats, we could absolutely beat anyone.
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one of the only positives with the Drummond-era was that he was such a wide body we could control the defensive rebounds at a decent level when guys were reasonably engaged defensively.
Frobly gets caught contesting everything that we become susceptible to having the rebound taken from us. Wade and Love are decent boxing out (they need to be, too).
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Mose definitely has had issues with consistency, and must learn to beet other guys to rebounds in particular.
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Beets are an underrated dish. Just ask Dwight.
One of the things he still needs to learn is when to challenge a shot. He was getting a lot praise earlier in the year for challenging the most shots in the league, but that stat isn't always a great thing because most challenges take you out of rebounding position. Obviously, when you have his timing and length you want him to challenge of lot of shots, but if the guy is already taking a tough shot, or he already is dealing with getting it over Allen, the better option is to get into rebounding position because chances are very high that it is going to be a miss.
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Just wanna say individual rebounds are possibly the most meaningless stat in basketball. Team rebounding and rebound differential matter way more. David Lee used to scoop up boards and his teams got killed on the glass every night. And must I remind people of Andre Drummond...
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Particularly individual defensive rebounds. It's SO easy to inflate that stat, and teams generally don't send more than one guy to really fight for offensive boards anyway.
That's also why great offensive rebounders are rare and valuable.
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Was coming here to type this word for word. It's definitely the hair.
